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    Here's is my first attempt since the comps where announced, and probably my first in two weeks, or so.

    Round 1, Pick# 24 - Jon Beason (WILB, Miami) Tedy Bruschi's future replacement: Thought about Timmons, Revis, or Staley, but I expect Revis to be gone, Timmons doesn't fit at WILB, and Staley is a little bit of a reach at 24.


    Round 1, Pick# 28 - Michael Griffin (SS/FS, Texas) The Eagles go another direction and he falls to NE at 28: I considered taking Joe Staley instead of Griffin. I also thought about Chris Houston, but he's weak against the run, and might even go a little higher. I like Meriweather but he doesn't seem safe enough in the first round.

    Round 3, Pick# 27 - Josh Wilson (CB, Maryland) He's their man. NE will trade up if they have to: I am aware that Josh Wilson could go higher, but probably not higher than early third, if it seems he'll go higher NE could trade up for him. Really I think he fits NE's defense better than any other CB's in the late 2nd-4th rounds. Wade was also an option, but he isn't polished, and DeAndre Jackson would have been a reach coming off his ACL.


    Round 4, Pick# 28 - Brandon Jackson (RB, Nebraska): Brandon could go higher, but most sites have him rated as a 3rd-5th round talent, so his being available late fourth sounds reasonable to me. Other RB's I think they'll be interested in are: Lorenzo Booker, Dwayne Wright, Chris Henry, and Michael Bush.


    Round 5, Comp - Anthony Waters (SILB, Clemson) He falls after the ACL injury: Taking this risk on Anthony Waters in the 5th makes sense considering his talent/ability before the injury, I don't think he goes any earlier considering that injury. If he recovers fully he'll be a very good LB.


    Round 6, Pick# 6 - Dan Santucci (OG, Notre Dame): Santucci sounds like a Patriot from his descriptions, and I've seen him listed as a late rounder/FA on at least three websites. One site has him listed as an early day 2 guy, so he might not be available.

    Round 6, Pick# 28 - Chris Davis (WR, Florida State) Fits NE's offense perfectly. Most sites have him as a 6th-7th- FA.

    Round 6, Comp - Chris Denman (OT, Fresno State) NE could take him higher: Davis, and Denman both make sense, and after you read their scouting reports you'll notice they just sound like Patriots. NE has already taken an interest in Davis, as well.

    Round 6, Comp - Antonio Johnson (DT, Mississippi St.) Big mean DT who should be a good backup for Wilfork.

    Round 7, Comp - Isaiah Stanback (QB, Washington): They could draft Isaiah Stanback, or go an entirely different direction with this pick.


    http://condraft.com/mocks/member-mocks/index.php?id=2178

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    Tell me what you think? I have reasons for all these guys, and I think most if not all either fit need positions, fit well in NE's system, or have the potential to be the BPA when taken.
     
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    Great job, hats off to you. Personally, I am somewhat worried about Beason's small stature. If you can convince me otherwise, I'll give you 110% vote of confidence on this mock.
     
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    Nice job. I think Desmond Bishop could be a good pick in the 6th as well.
     
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    Here are some questions I was asked on ESPN about this mock, and my answers:

    Here's the problem with that, Revis is likely gone before 24, and Houston might as well. Houston's probably gone before 28. Also, Houston supposedly needs work on his run support. Plus I don't like Aaron Ross. McCauley is skilled but he's got question marks, and seems like a second rounder to me.

    In the third round it gets hard to find a Safety of my liking. Gattis could be there, as could Wendling, but a lot of mocks I'm looking at have both going before the 91st pick. Tanard Jackson will be gone before then, and he was suspended. I don't really like Sabby, so he's not one of my options. Also, I think Josh Wilson is really good, and could end up being better than some of the first round CB's. I kept trying to give NE Gattis or Wendling in the third, but it nessed upmy first round, and for awhile it looked funny. at frst I had Jon Beason, Joe Staley, and Josh Gattis as their first three picks. Notice something funny about that? :)

    Quincy Black is nice, but I'd rather take a chance on Waters in the fifth, than spend a fourth on another LB after taking Beason at 24.

    I wouldn't take Hairston in the 5th, considering all the talent at RB. Brandon Jackson could go anywhere from the third to the fifth, but he's really talented. Runs good outside, inside, breaks a lot of tackles, and has good receiving skills. Plus, he doesn't have that much wear on the tires.

    The two O-Linemen won't be wasted picks. Read the scouting reports on both and you'll notice how much they sound like recent Patriot draft picks on the o-Line. I think both could replace other guys already on the roster. also, I would rather take those two late, than one O-Linemen early. Maybe NE could take another Safety, or CB instead, but I was having a hard time finding good sixth round Safeties, and CB's. Daren Stone could last into the sixth, but some have him going in the 4th-5th rounds. I was looking at John Tally a lot, and some others. DeAndre Jackson probably goes in the fifth, even with his ACL.


    I almost went after Joe Cohen, but I think he's expected to go a little higher than Antonio Johnson, if you read Johnson's scouting report he sounds like a Patriot NT big time, and he's got really good size, which is what I specifically looked for.

    David Ball was of consideration, but he's more of a slow possession receiver. I like him a lot, but I could see BE drafting Chris Davis first. really Davis kind of reminds me of Deion Branch. Davis is a very good route runner, has good hands, is good at returning kicks, and as an added plus he had some of the best short shuttle, and three cone times at the combine. The short shuttle, and three cone are more important than 40 times in NE's offense. I almost expect them to pick this guy.

    Watch this Highlight video of Brandon Jackson, and you'll see why I like him so much.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7LqfRdnT0I
     
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    no problem with the draft but a question . u say u considered Timmons but hes too small for WILB? We dont need a "weak side inside linebacker"..Vrabel played there last year and Bruschi struggled at strongside. we need a SILB because Vrabel/Bruschi are better off at weakside unless of course Thomas plays SILB
     
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    I didn't say he was to small, I said he doesn't fit. Vrabel's better on the outside, and I would rather see him rotate with Colvin, and Thomas on the outside, while also rotating on the inside. I don't really want him starting at WILB, full time. Also, Bruschi was a WILB and only played SILB because of injuries, and the lack of depth. I have them getting a SILB with in Waters. Also I think Thomas will play all over the place. This is going to be a very versatile LB corp, with multiple players being able to play multiple positions.

    Thomas
    Colvin
    Bruschi
    Vrabel
    Beason
    Waters
    Mays
    Woods
    Izzo
    Maybe they add Hartwell to this. For Ten Backers, NE has carried ten before.
     
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    well keep in mind Waters hasnt shown hes back yet..idk when his pro day is but hes coming off an ACL. idk how much you can hope for him to grasp SILB right away. i lvoe Beason..Timmons too but i just wanted to understand where your coming from saying Timmons wont fit WILB when he probably would but we need a SILB like Harris. i dont mind the mock though
     
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    Great Job Cousin. A lot of thought went into your pics;
    I have a difference of opinion on a couple choices. Merriweather is a gamble. He's small. He's a Thug. We already have that size safeties in Wilson and Sanders and we are getting killed back there (see Peyton) as the TE's are getting bigger and bigger.
    Josh Wilson? We already have a 5'8" 175 LB CB who plays big but gets beat. We need bigger CB's not smaller. How about Coe from Alabama St. 6' 1" and good credentials. He's rated a third rounder.
    I like Henry in the 4th. He's got speed and size. Jackson is like 205 Lbs. Kevin Faulk is even heavier.
    Waters worst attribute was tackling. They say he is just plain bad. Got all the measurables but not a great tackler. Rather spend a cheap buck and get Hartwell (only 26) and see whats is available in 2008 if we can't get someone decent. How about USC Dallas Sartz? They say he is a 6'5" 256 LB guy with an upside with some coaching. They say he is always around the ball.
    I like Stanback. Could be a WR in a pinch and BB like versatility.
    The only other I would not want is Davis at WR. There are three or four who could fall here with better stats and upside.
    Don't think they go for two O linemen in 2007.
    Great job though and it's fun to swap opinions. Beason and Griffin work for me in round one.
    DW Toys
     
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    Sartz is 6'5" 237 - they must have updated his scouting report since an earlier report indicated he wasn't very physical, this year's tape must have showed more promise. They still note he isn't a playmaker but is blue collar.
     
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    Why not?? :confused: Please… do tell. lol-


    I applaud your effort. I like some of your picks (don’t agree with others). Good thorough research none the less. It seems like you put a lot of thought into it.
     
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    NE didn't get killed because of small Safeties. They got killed because 1) Tedy has lost a step and isn't as good in coverage 2) Vrabel isn't as good in coverage, anymore. 3) Hawkins has started to slow, and is more of a backup. 3) Wilson was hurt, and hasn't played up to his former level. 4) Rodney was hurt. That's it. Also, I didn't have them picking Meriweather, I gave them 6' 202lbs Michael Griffin, so I don't understand why you had to talk about Meriweather's thugness. What's the sense of picking on the guy, when he wasn't even the selection?


    Wilson is 5'9.2" and weighs 189lbs. He's a very good CB, and he fits NE's defense well.

    Brandon Jackson is twice the RB Chris Henry ever thought of being. Where do you get some of this stuff? Brandon's 212lbs, not 205lbs. You know how heavy Maroney was coming out?


    Again I'd like to know where you get some of this stuff. Waters is a good tackler, and all the Scouting reports I've looked at say just that.

    He's a Safety to Coverage LB conversion. I don't really think he fits the system, and he's slow. Hopefully for the last time, where do you keep getting these numbers? Dallas Sartz is 6'4.7" and weighs 235lbs, thats a far cry from 256lbs, don't ya think?

    He's exactly the type of WR NE likes, and he's got more upside/ability than you might think. I don't think there are 3 or 4 WR's who could fall to the 6th round, who are better than Chris Davis, sorry. Go read the Chris Davis thread.


    Yea, I could see them going another direction, but I like both players, and they both seem to fit well. O'Callaghan had a few head injuries last year, so we don't know how healthy he'll be, and I think these two are better than some of the other O-Linemen currently on the roster.
     
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    Yea, I've always said I like Meriweather, and hope they pick him, but I've also always said I don't expect them to.

    What picks do you not agree with?
     
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    Well, I don't like Beason. I like Griffin, but I think that's too early. I'd rather take Wilson there and not worry about trading up for him. I like Jackson, but again too early. I like the pick of Waters. Not high on any of the others except Antonio Johnson. If he's there that late, that's a legit steal. He's one of the few guys in the draft that projects nicely to 3-4 DE.

    Well thought out, thanks.
     
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    Beason isn't my first pick at ILB, but not a bad pick.


    You ding Chris Houston for not supporting the run, but then choose Michael Griffin who isn't great against the run and doesn't like to wrap up in his tackles because he'd rather go for the big hit?

    No thanks.

    While I agree that the Pats need a CB, I'm not sure waiting until the 3rd for Wilson is the way to go. Would have much preferred someone like Revis earlier.

    Injury liability. Not an inside runner. Not a great blocker. Who are you figuring he will replace?


    I like Waters, but not as a 5th rounder unless he shows something tomorrow at his private workout.


    I don't see this happening. At all. The Patriots are stacked with guard/centers with Hochstein, Yates and Mruczkowski behind Koppen, Mankins and Neal. As its stands right now, one of them is probably going to be traded to get the Pats down to 9 OL.

    Good pick.

    Read his bio and sorry, not wowed. Not even for a 6th round pick. I don't believe in wasting picks on players who aren't as good as the ones currently on the team and nothing tells me that he's better than the other 4 RTs we have on the team.



    Why Johnson over Soliai? Johnson strikes me more of a Mike Wright than he does a true back-up to Wilfork.

    Not a bad attempt. I disagree with many of your picks because I don't see the value in the players that you do in the rounds that you have them. Other than Wilson and Davis, that is.
     
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    Highlight reels are a waste of time and don't truly show how a player is.

    As for how he runs inside, what sort of inside running plays was he doing? Draws? I ask because when I read stuff like Fumble-prone and not a good interior runner and poor blocker, it raises flags and makes me shy away.


    Santucci is a wasted pick when you consider the commitments the Patriots have made to the interior line. They brought back Yates on a 3 year deal. They also brough back Mruczkowski, though on a 1 year deal. However, Mruczkowski can play center OR guard. From what I saw, Santucci is strictly a guard. They also have Barthelmes (C/G) who has been in the system and whom they made it a point to keep and send to NFLE. Now, Yates is safe for at least this year. I think that Hochstein is also safe for this year. I don't see the Pats carrying more than 5 interior linemen and 4OTs. If you think that Santucci has what it takes to beat out Berthelmes AND Mruczkowski, then you are right, he's not a wasted pick. I don't believe he does.

    Can you say that Denman is at least as good as Kaczur, O'Callaghan, Bubin or Britt? I can say that Joe Staley is in that mix. But I can't about Denman. That is why I believe it would be a wasted pick.
     
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    He did fumble some early on at Nebraska, but he doesn't have that problem anymore, and he's good at running both inside, and outside. He's not close to being a reach in the fourth round either. I point this out because either yourself or someone else said that was to early.

    DraftStock.com: "Strengths: Breaking tackles."
    "Statline: 1,023 yards rushing and 313 receiving with 10 touchdowns as a junior in 2006."
    "Will get a lot of attention because he breaks a lot of tackles while staying low to the ground, protects the football well."
    "Strong runner with a low center of gravity that reminds me of a faster version of Travis Henry in his better days as a member of the Buffalo Bills."
    "Jackson has already licked the problem that many running backs out of Nebraska seem to have (Mike Rozier, Correll Buckhalter, Roger Craig, Lawrence Phillips) which is fumbling the football."
    "Became a willing receiver in the Nebraska offense in 2006 and has the ability to not only catch the ball but split out and run precise patterns."
    "he can deliver just as much punishment as the people trying to make the tackle."
    Scouts Inc:
    "He's a shifty back with excellent balance and body control."
    "Shows good vision and possesses the initial burst to quickly hit the crease he sees developing"
    "Runs with outstanding pad-level and always seems to be under control"
    "He is a slippery runner"
    "is elusive enough to consistently make defenders miss one-on-one in space."
    "He shows good toughness as an inside runner and will keep his legs driving after contact."
    "He's a reliable underneath receiver and is shifty and dangerous after the catch."
    "doesn't have much mileage on his legs."
    "In our opinion, Jackson is one of the more underrated prospects in the 2007 class and could be a steal in the second or third round."


    From what I've seen and read, he's a better prospect than most of the guys you listed. Also, from what I understand he might also be able to play center, and is very versatile. He used to be a defensive Linemen, then converted to O-Line. He's 6'3.5" and weighs 301-305lbs. Runs the 40 in 5.13, which is good for an O-linemen. He also had the third fastest three cone (7.47).
    Some of the things about his game that I like can be found in this scouting report:NFLDraftCountdown.com

    He's better than Britt, and Babin. Also, O'Callaghan had more than one head injury last year, and had some injury problems in college, as well. I think O'Callaghan has all the talent and tools to become a good O-Linemen, but he's still got those same injury concerns. Denman has a lot of what NE looks for in theirO-Linemen, and he also comes from the same program that produced Logan Mankins. Denman is 6'6.5" 315lbs, a really good run blocker, and plays mean. He's also very intelligent, bust his butt for you, has long arms and hands, is very coachable, and durable. He's started 43 games straight at Fresno State.
     
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    Is this a joke?? lol- I think you have been reading too many online scouting reports, and may have your safety's confused.

    Griffin is one of the best (if not the best) wrap up tackler in the draft. :cool:
     
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    Oh really? Guess you need to take your head out of the sand because when I see flags such as:
    "Inconsistent tackler on run support"
    "Over-matched in the box. Lacks lower body strength"
    "Because he is better in space than in the box, might make a better free safety at the next level"
    "Will miss some tackles while trying to deliver the knock out blow."

    Guess what. That isn't just "on-line draft sites" making those comments. BTW, you are the twit who was knocking NFLDraftScout.com only to be shown how stupid you were in citing FoxSports.com who gets their information from NFLDraftScout.com.
     
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    Here are some second day picks that I kind of like. I assume that one of the 6th rounders will be used tomove up a little in the third to position for whoever they pick there.

    Here are second day picks in no particular order and I've added more than the # of picks since some will be gone:

    Zak DeOssie LB
    Danny Sepulveda P
    Courtney Taylor WR
    Josh Gattis S
    Paul Soliai NT
    Jeff Rowe QB
    Lorenzo Booker RB
    Toby Korrodi QB as a Free Agent
     
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    Good job on the mock.

    Contrary to what others have posted, I can see the Pats taking 2 OL guys in the draft on day 2(an OG and an OT). I think the right side is in need of an upgrade or at worst, some new competition.

    If you replace Waters with DeOssie, I'd call that a successful draft for the Pats.
     
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