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    Kraft on 'complicated' Brady talks - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

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    Sounds positive to me. Only Brady, Kraft, probably Belichick, and a select few others know the real deal. Everyone else has a hazy AT BEST knowledge/understanding of the situation.
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    "I have a pony, and it likes carrots." would have sufficed to give the same level of new and pertinent information about the contract situation.
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    If Tom Brady doesn't retire a Patriot I will let Rex Ryan fart in my mouth.
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    Heh. To be fair, though, this team is pretty tight lipped regarding just about everything. I wasn't expecting an orgy of information when clicking on this thread, myself.
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    As opposed to Irsay and Polian who contradicted each other, one saying we will get it done asap and the other when the labor situation is resolved. They both said the same thing Kraft said that a deal will eventually get done.

    Irsay hopes to extend Manning's Colts stay with NFL-best deal
    BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Polian, on QB deals: “When (the labor situation) is resolved, those other situations will resolve themselves.”
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    Irsay and Polian didn't contradict one another, and my comment wasn't intended as a dig at anyone in the NFL. Kraft simply didn't say anything of value with regards to the contract status, making that a useless blog post.
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    If they hadn't written a blog post, then everyone would be asking them what Kraft talked about in his interview. People want to know what these guys have to say. It's as simple as that.
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    "Asked about Brady's contract, Kraft essentially said nothing."


    Could have been a tweet. It's as simple as that.
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    As compared to the dozens of separate post topics all identical in fact less, but uniformly negative themed speculation about Brady & the Pats as every mediot fights to get page hits???
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    Did anyone actually expect the Patriots and Brady to have public negotiations? No, of course not.

    I'm confident they will get a deal done that will allow Brady to retire a Patriot, and I'd expect that contract to make him the highest paid player in the game, at least for a little while. He deserves it, and I get the feeling he won't be taking another undervalued contract just to be a nice guy again (and he shouldn't).

    Just my opinion.
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    The "speculation" you're complaining about is based upon an alleged source close to Brady. That's something. It's also irrelevant to my posts.

    The response of Kraft's gave us nothing. There's nothing wrong with that, but it was a waste of a blog entry.
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    This is really a waste of time. There is what a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance that the Pats don't resign Brady and I may be understating the chances so the Negative Nancy's can't call me a homer on this issue.

    Seriously, is there anyone who truly belives Brady won't be playing for the Patriots after this season that aren't under the dillusion that there will be an NFL team in Los Angeles in 2011?
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    I wouldn't be saying that if I was you. There is still a decent chance that when Brady hits his late 30s or early 40s and he wants to continue to play that the Patriots may decide to move on like the Packers did with Brett Favre.
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    Several separate post topics. All based on one unverified alleged close to Brady source. In contrast, we have the facts...

    1. Kraft's repeated positive statements on the matter

    2. The predominant history of the Pats not going public on these matters

    3. The unprecidented situation of CBA uncertainties to say the least, injecting major business uncertainty

    4. Similar situations q.v. the Colts where management is retreating from prior bullish statements about extending their future HOF QB

    Where did any of these mediots addd any facts or insight instead of vomiting their oh so predictable anti-Pats sentiment into print and suckering folks into starting seperate threads all with ZERO additional factual content?

    I rest my case.
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    What's even worse is that Rex's fart's will be REALLY bad by then.
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    Actually if there is a disconnect in communications it's between Irsay and Polian, who essentially said the other day that contracts are handled between him and Condon...and they will get together when they get together and it may be next season before they get a deal done (which wouldn't be surprising since they tagged Peyton in March of 2004 before getting his present deal done).

    All Kraft and Belichick keep saying is it is what it is because of the CBA and there is no other QB they would rather have... Alas, too simple a response for all the conspiracy theorists in the media. Obvious disconnect.
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    I tend to think the thing that may "complicate" things is the prospect of paying out $40 - $50 million in a guaranteed signing bonus on the eve of an NFL Lockout, that would halt any income for Kraft from the NFL.

    At the very least that means that Kraft would want to have a good portion of the guaranteed money deferred

    Normally that wouldn't be a problem if the NFL were playing under a CBA - Brady deferred guaranteed payments in the past

    But if the League isn't playing, Kraft might not have the obligation or ability to pay and Brady could find himself waiting indefinately for portions of his signing bonus.

    So I view it as less of a hometown discount issue and more a matter of cashflow during a work stoppage.
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    You think that Kraft will have no cash flow? You think that he would pay players during a work stoppage?

    I believe that the Krafts would still be getting TV money. Also Kraft has lots of sources of income. The loss of stadium revenue will not break Kraft.

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    To me an "alleged source" is worth zero.

    To me what Kraft says is meaningful.

    Do you think Brady won't be resigned??
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    "alleged source" is what breaks a lot of stories. I used "alleged" rather than unnamed, that's all. I was anticipating someone deciding to claim that Silver was making up the source and just getting a jump on that.

    What Kraft said was nothing at all and about as meaningless as it gets. He could have talked about lint in his shoe for all the new football information that was gleaned. He specifically said:

    I don't know how much clearer people need it.

    I've made it clear, on other threads, that I expect Brady will remain a member of the Patriots, one way or another.
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    What Kraft says is meaningful. And Kraft said nothing. Outright said that he was saying nothing, because he won't talk about it to anyone that isn't actively involved in the negotiations.
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    "alleged source" is what breaks a lot of stories. I used "alleged" rather than unnamed, that's all. I was anticipating someone deciding to claim that Silver was making up the source and just getting a jump on that.

    what was Tomase's "source" the week before the Super Bowl with the Giants? "Alleged" or "unnamed"?
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    This is what Silver actually wrote.

    some people close to Brady feel the organization isn’t displaying much urgency toward ensuring the latter. Conversely, the Patriots’ brass, now experiencing a third consecutive offseason in which their California-raised quarterback has spent a sizeable chunk of time away from the team’s facility, would probably welcome some assurances that the quarterback is content to remain on the East Coast.

    It says less than what Kraft said.

    The first part, the 'source' only says that 'some people close to Brady' which could be defined many way feel the organization isn't displaying urgency.
    It seems the article is attempting to stretch that into BRADY feeling that way, which the article almost rules out, because it would have said that some pep[;e close to Brady say that TOM doesnt feel the urgency.
    Essentially, it would appear Silver asked someone somehow associated wioth Brady if THEY FELT the organization was showing urgency and they said they did not.
    Silver gos on to speculate that the Patriots are pobably unhappy with Brady's spending time on the west coast. The manner of writing that sentence in the context it is in is clearly to infer that there are bad feelings in the other direction as well.

    It wold seem that what we have in total is Silver asking acquaintances at some level of Tom Brady whether THEY feel urgency coming from the Pats toward the negotiations, and of course they said no, since there really can be no urgency due to the circumstances, followed by a sp[ecualitve rumor that the team must not be happy with Bradys living arrangements.

    Wrap it all up, and call it a disconnect between the most successful team of the just completed decade and the most successful player of that decade and you attract readers and your article gets circulated.
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    Remember, though, that the Packers decided to move on after a couple of years of the Favre Annual Retirement Tango.

    I would hope that Brady has more respect for the Krafts, for BB, and for his teammates than to put them through that.
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