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  1. cstjohn17

    cstjohn17 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Miguel or others, I am building a spreadsheet that documents my annual fruitless attempt to guess the Patriots 53 man roster.

    Question - I was wondering if anyone has details on the number of players per position the Patriots have had on their opening roster for the past 5 years. This helps me determine where key battles or "competition" will occur.

    Initial pass for 2006 and comments
    25 - Offense - WR - 5, OL - 9, QB - 3, RB - 5, TE - 3
    25 - Defense - LB - 9, DL - 6, CB - 5, S - 5
    3 - Special Teams = P -1, PK - 1, LS - 1

    Comments versus 2005 team
    - stronger overall offense and better special teams coverage
    - pass coverage is weak, LB, S and CBs are adequate in coverage
    - WR is thin
    - Punt returner is a question mark

    LWR Branch, BROWN, Childress
    RWR Caldwell, Jackson
    LT Light, Kaczur
    LG Mankins, Tucker
    C Koppen, Hochstein
    RG Neal
    RT Gorin, Callaghan
    TE Watson, Graham, Thomas
    QB Brady, Cassel, XXXXXXX
    FB Pass, Mills
    RB DILLON, Faulk, Maroney
    LDE Warren, Hill
    NT Wilfork, Sulllivan
    RDE Seymour, Green
    LOLB Colvin, Banta-Cain
    LILB BRUSCHI, IZZO
    RILB Beisel, Claridge, Alexander
    ROLB VRABEL, Mincey
    LCB Samuel, Warfield, Hawkins
    SS Jones, Mitchel
    FS Wilson, Sanders, Andrews
    RCB Hobbs,Gay
    P MILLER
    PK Gostkowski
    LS Paxton

    PUP
    SS Harrison, Rodney


    Practice
    OG Dan Stevenson
    DT Smith, LeKevin
    LB Roach, Freddie
    S Ventrone Raymond

    Cuts
    LB Davis, Don
    DE Klecko, Dan
    S Scott, Guss
    FB Evans, Health
    CB Scott, Chad
     
  2. bucky

    bucky 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Here's my advice. Don't worry about the numbers from pervious years because there are no patterns.

    First, try to figure out who the 45 actives would be - that means figuring out the starters on special teams. The actives are typically made up of: 2 QBs, 3 specialists (K, P, LS), 7 OL and 5 DL. That makes 17. The other 28 (WR, RB, TE, DB, LB) also make up the special teams units.

    Next, figure out the final 8 - 1 or 2 additional OL (probably 2), 1 or 2 additional DL (probably 2), any rookies picked in the top 5 or 6 rounds who won't be making the active day roster, and whatever positions seem to need depth and have a lot of bodies in camp.

    One of the things that makes it so hard to predict is BB's secrecy with regard to injuries. Those have a major impact on the final roster, but we have no idea how serious most injuries are.
     
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    14thDragon Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I don't know, but I would bet that Wright would beat out Hill or Sullivan.
     
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    (These numbers don't include any PUP/IR players that were on their respective reserve lists for the first game, even if they came off the PUP later in the season)

    2005:

    QBs - 3
    RBs - 3 (Dillon, Faulk, Pass)
    WRs - 6
    TEs - 3
    OTs - 4
    OG/Cs - 4

    DEs - 4
    NTs - 3
    OLBs - 6 (Vrabel, McGinest, Colvin, Banta-Cain, Chatham, Mallard)
    ILBs - 4 (Beisel, Brown, Izzo, Davis)
    CBs - 6
    Ss - 4
    K - 1
    P - 1
    LS - 1

    2004:

    QBs - 3
    RBs - 4 (Dillon, Faulk, Pass - Abdullah signed when Cobbs went to PUP)
    WRs - 6
    TEs - 3
    OTs - 4
    OG/Cs - 5

    DEs - 4
    NTs - 4
    OLBs - 4 (Vrabel, McGinest, Colvin, Banta-Cain)
    ILBs - 5 (Bruschi, Johnson, Phifer, Izzo, Davis)
    CBs - 4
    Ss - 4
    K- 1
    P - 1
    LS - 1

    2003:

    QBs - 3
    RBs - 4 (Smith, Faulk, McCrary, Centers - Cloud was suspended until Week 5)
    WRs - 5
    TEs - 3
    OTs - 4
    OG/Cs - 4

    DEs - 5
    NTs - 3
    OLBs - 4 (Vrabel, McGinest, Colvin, Chatham)
    ILBs - 5 (Bruschi, Johnson, Phifer, Izzo, Davis)
    CBs - 3 (Law, Poole, Samuel)
    Ss - 6 (Harrison, Wilson, A. Harris, Cherry, Akins, Aric Morris)
    K - 1
    P - 1
    LS - 1

    2002:

    QBs - 3
    RBs - 5 (Smith, Faulk, Redmond, Edwards, Pass)
    WRs - 5
    TEs - 3
    OTs - 5
    OG/Cs - 5

    DEs - 4
    DTs - 4
    OLBs - 4 (Vrabel, Phifer, Chatham, Brigance - cut in Week 2, CB Hitchc-o-c-k added)
    ILBs - 3 (Bruschi, Johnson, Izzo)
    CBs - 4 (Law, O. Smith, Buckley, Ben Kelly - Myers was on PUP)
    Ss - 5 (Milloy, Jones, Green, Cherry, A. Harris)
    K - 1
    P - 1
    LS - 1
     
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  5. patpatriot

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    Pretty close but...

    Hard to see how Mincy (Long term conversion project) and Alexander (has had 2 chances already) make this team while a 2nd round draft choice (Hill) who as a role (goal line defence) doesn't. And what does Bam Morris bring to the table that you can't get out of Mils?
     
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    CTSjohn17 - there are 8 spots on the practice squad, not 4.
     
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  7. cstjohn17

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    All fair comments...
    - Mincey and Alexander speak to the general lack of depth at the LB positions. You can replace their names with Roach, Gardner, Davis or any other of the 4th stringers they have.In my opinion we still don't have a pure run stuffing LB (Ted Johnson) or pass covering LB (Roman Phifer), if any of the top 3 (Vrabel, Bruschi, Colvin) go down it will not be pretty
    - Hill is listed as a reserve DE (although in my opinion he hasn't shown anything, because he is a 2nd round pick he sticks around)
    - Mills versus Childresss - Childress is a wide receiver and possible return specialist, Mills is a hybrid fullback, TE, not really filling the same role. In a perfect world we find someone to fill the 5th receiver spot
    - practice squad - 4 spots out of 8, give me time I will fill all 8, the practice sqaud is largely irrelevant as the Patriots prefer to find people at car washes to fill needs (Hank Poteat, Hawkins, etc.)

    Thank you for the feedback. Keep it coming.

    P.s. great job with the year by year roster breakdown.
     
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  8. 5 Rings for Brady!!

    5 Rings for Brady!! In the Starting Line-Up

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    I did this exercise for a couple of years and was almost 100% accurate, but not because I know anything at all. I simply took my favorite players and pencilled them in, and all the spots were filled. This is not going to happen this year, I believe! I don't have a clue, to be honest, who makes the team at back-up linebacker, secondary, or perhaps even D-line if Sullivan shows up for work. I mean, pick between Sullivan, Hill, Wright and Klecko...
    Wide reciever may be too easy, with no depth. Tight end and running back could have a couple surprise cuts, like Pass or Mills, even Faulk fumbled his way through an injured season last year. Back-up O-Line may be tough as well, Gene Mckrowski, Gorin, the rookies, some of the practice squad projects.

    I'm not even gonna push my luck and try this year!
     

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