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  1. cstjohn17

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    Offense
    QB - 3 Tom Brady, Cassel, O'Connell
    RB - 4 Faulk, Maroney, Morris, Jordan
    FB - 1 Evans
    C - 1 Koppen
    G - 4 Neal, Hochstein, Mankins, Yates
    OT - 4 Light, Kaczur, O'Callaghan, Britt
    WR - 6 Moss, Welker, Washington, Gaffney, Aiken, Slater
    TE - 2 Watson, Dave Thomas
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    Defense
    DE - 3 Warren, Green, Seymour
    DT - 4 Wilfork, Le Kevin Smith, Wright, Santonio Thomas
    LB - 8 Vrabel, Adalius Thomas, Bruschi, Woods, Alexander, Hobson, Mayo, Crable
    CB - 5 Hobbs, Wheatley, Lewis Sanders, Bryant, Wilhite
    S - 5 James Sanders, Harrison, Meriweather, Williams, Spann
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    Special Teams
    P - 1 Hanson
    K - 1 Gostkowski
    LS - 1 Paxton
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    I'm a little suprised you have Aiken and Slater ahead of Jackson but otherwise, good prediction.
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    That's only 52 players. Perhaps another TE?
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    God damn it! I am an idiot, I must have counted that 10 times and still got it wrong. I will update, I am leaning towards Santonio Thomas, I like having 7 DL especially against some of the running games we will be facing.
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    That is my "shocker", I will update each week. Last year I was certain that Gemara Williams was going to make the team but I did give Reche Caldwell the boot, so some workout and some don't.
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    Can you indicate your anticipated gameday active 45? I know that may change, but assume perfect health and suiting up for week 1 vs KC.
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    Indeed. Some DO workout and some don't.

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    I agree for the most part. In some cases I just don't know - like I think at QB one of the Matts will stay and one will go, but I don't know which.

    At LB I think Guyton could earn a spot at the expense of Alexander. I'm also wondering if Hobson will make it.

    I agree with Kontra that Jackson will make the team, but not at the expense of Aiken or Slater who are both key for ST.
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    This pretty much sums up my thought process. The first 48 are pretty easy, and then it gets damn hard.
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    And whoever gets cut won't be on the street long as they are certain to be picked up by Clev, NYJ
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    ...and that's why I'm glad Belichick and Co. are making the decisions.
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    Better have a Dave-Thomas-to-PUP scenario in there...



    ...just a gut feeling.
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    how about this...I predict the Pats will cut Tom Brady before they cut a 24yr old 2nd rd draft choice,who is still on his rookie contract.


    What?......they cut Brady?

    .....O the humanity
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    You forgot Chad Jackson. Also, no way we start the season with only 2 TE's on the roster. NO WAY!
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    Chad Jackson makes it for 7 nominal WRs (3 ST)

    Lewis Sanders has done nothing; opening to some one else.

    Guyton beats out Alexander.

    Santonio to PS, along with Gutierez.

    Pollard to Shadow roster, along with Seau and Testaverde and Izzo, and Ross. BB learned his lesson with Justin Rodgers and whatizname the oldtimer...
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    The humanity indeed, I will try to respond to as many questions as possible.

    Jackson - So much potential but where is his roster spot? I don't think he will beat out Gaffney for the number 3 and Washington, Aiken and Slater are more productive in special teams. I hope the kid can show something because he has an obvious role as a deep threat but I just don't think it is in the cards.

    PUP - I have worked so far under the assumption that everyone is healthy, Neal and Vrabel among others are starting to concern me.

    Gameday 45 - something like this

    Offense
    QB - 2 Tom Brady, Cassel
    RB - 4 Faulk, Maroney, Morris
    FB - 1 Evans
    C - 1 Koppen
    G - 3 Neal, Hochstein, Mankins
    OT - 3 Light, Kaczur, O'Callaghan
    WR - 6 Moss, Welker, Washington, Gaffney, Aiken, Slater
    TE - 2 Watson, Dave Thomas
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    Defense
    DE - 3 Warren, Green, Seymour
    DT - 3 Wilfork, Le Kevin Smith, Wright
    LB - 8 Vrabel, Adalius Thomas, Bruschi, Woods, Alexander, Hobson, Mayo, Crable
    CB - 5 Hobbs, Wheatley, Lewis Sanders, Bryant
    S - 5 James Sanders, Harrison, Meriweather, Williams, Spann
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    Special Teams
    P - 1 Hanson
    K - 1 Gostkowski
    LS - 1 Paxton
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    There is about a 3% chance Jackson gets cut. I think they keep Aiken, Slater & Jackson, with Jackson really being the only real WR and the other two kept for STs.

    End of the road for Alexander & Spann.
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    If I count correctly, that is 47. And I can't believe Jordan will make the roster if he doesn't have a regular role in the gameday active 45.

    I'm not trying to bust on you. This is not an easy activity.
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    Please no more math... the ideal 45 only is relevant for the first game, after that injuries are a factor as is the game plan. Our 45 game day roster is going to look good, not a lot of surprises. The final 8 include backup lineman, a QB and the final 4-5 special teams spots. Tough job ahead for the bubble boys.
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    Hey Pats fans, how the hell are ya?

    How goes TC? How are the rooks and 2nd year men looking?

    How are Mayo and Crable? How about Meriweather? What of my boy O'Connell?

    Is Seau retiring?
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    I was trying to be as gentle as possible with my sarcasm.

    Slater,Washington,Aiken etc are ST's,who could fill in as temp wr's.

    Unlike these named,Chad Jackson is training as A...how can I put this....as an ACTUAL wide receiver.In the worst case,he's #4,backing up Gaffney.At the same time he is the ONLY back-up to Randy Moss.

    Whether he reaches his potential is a question for later on,but for now,he's the only WR,besides Moss,who presents the possibly of a double team.

    Do you think that when CJ is split out wide that the defense is going to ignore his size and speed and come to the conclusion that he's not going to catch it,so why bother?

    I don't think so...and this is the flaw in your arguement.

    Jackson has this intrinsic value,just like Stallworth did,last year.

    See....he easily makes the team because of the threat he presents opposite Randy Moss.

    None of these others are real wr's and the opposition def co.know this.

    Also,once again.....he's still young and getting short money.All I want him to do is catch a couple of long bombs in the first couple of games.Once he gets on tape,you'll see what I mean by intrinsic value.
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    Well, thank you for being so gentle... how can i put this... the amazing Chad Jackson had 0 catches last year.

    What happens when he lines up opposite Moss runs the wrong route, drops an easy pass or in some other way pisses Brady off? Washington & Aiken are not hall of famers but either was David Givens or Reche Caldwell and Brady made them look pretty good, well, Reche looked ok until that AFC Championship... but you get my point.

    If Jackson can at least provide the Bethel Johnson home run threat he should make the team, but IMO he is on the bubble because at least the other guys can play special teams.
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    Drop the 0 catch criticism (dude had an ACL tear...from playing special teams no less) and you are on the money. Gaffney can play anywhere along the line and will get plenty of chances regardless. CJack really limits his value to the team if he can't earn the outside role opposite Moss.

    Like having a sports car that you never drive because of gas prices and having to haul around 4 kids. Doesn't mean the sports car sucks...just means that there is no sense keeping it around if you aren't going to get appropriate value out of it.
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    This is still apples-to oranges.With any NFL team,the no.3 or 4 wr is NOT special team related....They're just not.Their position on the squad is predicated on their wr skills.
    Anything else is a bonus,not a necessity.

    If you carry 5 or 6,it becomes a factor.Otherwise it's apples-to-oranges.

    Considering age and money,Ill take CJ over what Dante Stallworth did for us last year.
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    Well, I don't believe you. Name some of the 4th WRs on other teams that don't contribute on special teams, or are on the roster purely because of their WR skills. For a second I thought you said you would take CJ over Stallworth... that seems like a reach to me, Stallworth didn't light the world ob fire but he did catch 46 passes for 700~ yards, with a 15.2 YPC average. If Jackson can approach those numbers that would be fantastic.

    As for the 0 catches, I will give him a break. I want him to be the stud on the outside to take advantage of all the attention Moss will get. I just don't see it happening and the team cannot afford to hold a roster spot while he figures it out.
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    My semantics were poor.....I meant that is not ST dependent.#4's certainly have to contribute elsewhere on a 45 game day roster.However,this is just as likely to be slot receiver,end arounds,kick returning etc.

    Also,in no fashion am I comparing Dante stallworth and Chad jackson,statistically.
    If he is healthy,as the no 3 wr receiver on this team,I would expect similar production.

    My point with Stallworth is that his route running was below par and his hands were nothing to write home about.

    Bottom line,I would rather have throws go to
    Gaffney/Jackson rather than Watson/Sp teamer.
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    When Gaffney was starting the season as the team's #4 WR last season, how much special teams work was he getting?
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    Damn it, I thought of that last night. Good point, touche.

    My pathetic response was going to be, well Gaffney played on the most prolific air attack of all time, lkely the exception rather than the rule... pretty lame response..

    Whoever the WRs are the unit is going to be damn good as long as Moss is on the field.
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    I don't think that Thomas is eligible for the PUP list any longer. Hasn't he already participated in at least one full practice?

    The following hoped-for (by me) 53 is predicated on the factors that: I ass-u-me that there are no IR injuries (unlikely); all those that have missed practices will resume practicing (probably); and nobody else will be added to the TC roster (who knows?).

    QB (3) - Brady, Cassel, O'Con. Guts to PS.

    RB (4) - Faulk, Maroney, Morris, Jordan. Unless BB is thinking Morris v. Jordan instead.

    FB (1) - Evans (Morris also has FB experience); I just can't see Eckel making it unless someone goes on IR.

    TE (3) - Watson, Thomas, Spach. Spach was the toughest decision, but if he can show that he can wham-block like Grahambo used to do, then I hope he stays.

    WR (6) - Moss, Welker, Gaffney, CJack, Washington, Slater. Despite what BB has said for public consumption, Aiken brings nothing to the party that KW doesn't already provide, and KW has much better potential as an actual WR. FWIW, Slater is listed as a WR on Patriots.com.

    OL (9) - Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Britt, O'Cal, Connolly, McMahon. I've had it with Hochstein, and if Connolly can learn the Center position, then Yates can go, too. Time for a little fresh blood here: same old, same old isn't good enough any longer.

    DL (6) Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Green, LKSmith, SThomas. The Widowmaker beats Fifita for backup NT; and Santonio beats Wright - who hasn't been on the field for quite awhile, and you can't make the club from the tub - and Titus Adams for #6 DL. The losers - Fifita, Wright & Adams - aren't worth keeping ahead of those at other positions.

    LB (8) - Vrabel, Mayo, Hobson, AThomas, Crable, Bruschi, Guyton, Woods. I'll drop Lewis Sanders if Junior Seau returns. And it's past time to close the weak, stale Izzo & Alexander Show. I hope that Vincent Redd can slip to the PS, because I'd love it if he could eventually unseat Woods, whose inexcusable non-fumble-recovery still pisses me off big-time. Bo Ruud? Fuhgeddabouddim; I already have.

    CB (5) - Hobbs, Bryant, Wheatley, Wilhite, Webster. Richardson? See Bo Ruud above.

    S (5) - Harrison, Meriweather, JSanders, TWilliams, LSanders. Ventrone & Spann will give Lewis Sanders a run for his money, but Sanders' CB experience gives him the edge in my book.

    The hard choices were deciding between a 3rd TE, a 5th RB/FB, a 9th OL, a 7th DL, a 9th LB and a 10th DB. Lots of things can happen to change my mind, but that's why they play the (pre-season) games.
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    Yes, Thomas is INELEGIBLE for PUP.
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