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  1. makoute

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    How come teams playing against the Pats have not gone five wide against them? Pass Defense is the biggest weakness of the team, yet teams just don't seem to want to test the Pats that way.
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    That's a good question, especially after seeing how well the "pick" plays have worked against this D.
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    Shhhhh, you guys, may be Stillers people lurking. :D
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    One theory:

    If you don't block him, Vrabel will look like an All-Pro pass rusher again.
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    OTOH, not many teams can put five credible receivers on the field at the same time.
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    The Pats did it before Moss and Welker. With Gafney and Reche.:eek:
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    ...and Brady
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    Agreed, most teams don't have the line the Pats have....nor the QB to make the reads....
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    3 WR seems to work fine against the Patriots, no need to play five :(
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    same thing i thought...if the job can get done w/ less ppl...why not?:mad:
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    whats the difference. the dolphins put 38 points on us not doing it. i dont know what our defense has to do to get better, but I hope somebody in our organization has an idea because our Defense has been pathetic
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    Bad idea. We might not get to the QB but eventually he will get picked off. Our 4-5 wides usually includes Kevin Faulk somewhere. He's as good as Brian Westbrook but never gets the credit.
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D


    What he said ... :yeahthat:
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    4 open receivers is quite enough, thank you.
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    Because no team has five good WRs?

    I've never seen a team use five WRs in one one play. Even empty backfield, there is always one TE and/or RB. Most teams only have three good WRs.
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    How is Gaffney and Reche five WRs? I count 1 1/2.
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    Re: Five wr against Pats D

    OK. Some of this is getting silly.

    1. "5 WR" formations rarely, if ever, include 5 guys who are listed in the depth chart as WRs. Most commonly, 1-2 of them are RBs or TEs. There are two main reasons for this. First, teams rarely bother activating 5 official WRs for the same game. Second, they generally want to force the defense to keep a personnel grouping on the field that could defend against the run.

    2. In a 5 WR set, a key requirement is that one or more receivers get open QUICKLY, before the QB gets leveled. Welker and Faulk are good at that, as were Troy Brown and Deion Branch.

    3. Another key requirement is that the QB very quickly recognize who will be open. Brady has always been great at that. Cassell is doing it well now too.

    4. It is desirable that the QB deliver the ball very accurately, so that the runner catches it in stride. Brady actually did NOT excel at that at first, although he was never bad. The difference isn't as great as it is in running, but it's another area where Cassell may actually be a bit ahead of where Brady was in the same number of starts.
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    Simply because the Patriots may not have great starting CBs, but they do have a complete number of fairly good ones to array against the wide five.

    Back in the Rams Superbowl era, circa 2001, the Rams destroyed "good defenses" that simply had a pair or three good CBs. And a couple of horrid scrubs who were all they could afford. The Pats even then, fit the BB philosophy of having fair to good players all the way down the roster. So the Rams "Greatest Show on Turf" Wide Five, was no where as effective against the Pats.

    The Pats can field Hobbs, O'Neal, Webster, and L Sanders, all of whom were starters in this league, before they have to go to rookie Willhite, Richardson or a guy like Spann or Ventrone. Don't forget they had a high draft pick rookie, Wheatley too, until a week ago. ;)

    Our devatating offense of last season was a wide five too. Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Gaffney and a Faulk and or Watson/Thomas. Teams simply ran out of adequate defenders even if they had a single guy like Champ Bailey.
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