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  1. DarrylS

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    This will be a real oxymoron, this article seems to be somewhat fair and unbiased by the Wa Po, some will attack aspects of it, but it does explain some of the stuff about whether or not she was covert or not.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/08/AR2007060802478.html

    Judge Reggie B. Walton, who sentenced I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby to 30 months in prison last week for lying to federal investigators about his role in the leak of a CIA officer's identity, received 373 pages of letters about the high-profile convict whose fate he had to decide. Many argued for leniency on behalf of Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, whom former defense secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld called a "dedicated public servant" and "strong family man." But some less famous writers were outraged about the example Libby set; one letter from "An Angry Citizen" demanded the longest prison term possible.

    Around here, I'm the one who gets both kinds of letters. While covering this case for The Washington Post from the beginning of Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald's investigation in December 2003, I've received a steady stream of mail, most of it fuming -- some because the writers think a tireless patriot is being persecuted by a runaway prosecutor, others because they think a ruthless traitor is getting off easy after jeopardizing national security.

    In fact, neither caricature is fair -- let alone accurate. But even now, four years after Valerie Plame's name hit the papers, the public still has some startling misconceptions about this fascinating, thorny case.
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    covert... period, over, done... so stop lying to yourself, and the public...

    1. Valerie Plame wasn't a covert operative.

    Wrong. She was.

    Granted, this wasn't so clear at the start of Fitzgerald's grand jury investigation, so Libby's allies argued that the beans he spilled weren't that important to begin with. In fact, many of the officials who knew about her classified CIA status kept mum, which let Libby's pals jump to assert that she wasn't an undercover operative at the time of the leak.

    But a CIA "unclassified summary" of Plame's career, released in court filings before Libby's June 5 sentencing, puts this one to rest: The CIA considered her covert at the time her identity was leaked to the media. The CIA report said that Plame had worked overseas in the previous five years and that the agency had been taking "affirmative measures" to conceal her CIA employment. That echoes the language used in the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which makes it a crime to reveal the identities of covert CIA officers.

    When Libby was convicted, some conservative pundits complained that Fitzgerald had presented no compelling evidence at trial that Plame was covert. But that wasn't for lack of evidence; it was because Libby's lawyers convinced the court to bar any mention of her status during the trial, arguing that evidence suggesting that her job was classified would have been "unfairly prejudicial" to their client.

    The CIA isn't famous for its clarity, but it's being pretty blunt on this issue: Langley says she was covert. Which other spook bureaucracy do you need to ask?
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    You don't have to yell. We can all read normal font. Besides, Harry has exclusive rights to gigantic font use, so you better get his permission first.
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    Victoria Toesning (who wrote the statute while a congressional staffer) says she wasn't covered by the statute,IOW she wasn't covert by the definition of the statute, Which is the legal issue (and why Fitz never went after anyone for 'outing' her).

    The intel agencies feel everything they do is covert. That perception on their part has nothing to do with the law congress passed which creates a legal definition for a covert agent whose identity is protected.

    It has never been answered why the CIA so readily confirmed her status when Novak called them.

    No amount of shouting changes that.
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    Victoria Toesning's opinion is no more relevant than anyone else who isn't a member of the Supreme Court. Once a bill becomes a law even the people who voted for it don't count in terms of interpreting it. The courts are the only voice in the matter and they've spoken.
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    Who cares, Valerie and Joe (James Bond) Wilson are a couple of nothings now, no big book deals, no movies, soon nobody will even remember their names, they have joined Cindy Sheehan on the "Used List"

    The democrats used them, then dumped them.

    Kocktail Lounge Washington DC:
    "Hi"
    "HI"
    "My names Joe Wilson, Hollywood is going to make a movie about me"
    "No sh!t"
    "Yea"
    "Why"
    "My wife is a spy for the CIA"
    "No sh!t"
    "Yea, don't tell anybody"

    :bricks:
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    OK if they have spoken then I guess she WASN'T covert since NO ONE was prosecuted for "outing" her right?
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    Yeah and OJ's still lookin' for the real killers and Father John Geoghan, who's conviction was vacated btw, never molested a single one of those boys. Legal niceties sometimes let criminals escape, it doesn't change reality.
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    When did the USSC rule on Plame's status under the statute in question?
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    You should really follow the case more closely if you're going to comment on it. If you had been paying more attention, you'd know that they never have. Of course that's not relevant to the fact that you held up a private citizen's opinion of what the law says as the end-all arbitration of it, and I pointed out that only the courts' opinion is relevant to what a particular law says.
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    All this ado over a guy who will simply get pardoned... <sigh>
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    I have followed the case the question was sarcastic since you invoked the supremes.
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    Very well, you may wanna use the sarcasm:rolleyes: smiley in the future. I'm glad I could straighten you out.
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    Probably will happen, but will piss off a whole group of new people who might be on the edge, lets see now the intelligence community, a few federal judges, some prosecutors, a whole bunch of voters.. but will make George look heroic in the eyes of a few.
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    indeed you have... but you come to an amazing set of conclusions about the case, don't you?...

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