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  1. Real World

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    Good times.


    October 5, 2011, 2:31 PM ET

    Nearly Half of U.S. Lives in Household Receiving Government Benefit


    By Sara Murray

    Families were more dependent on government programs than ever last year.
    Nearly half, 48.5%, of the population lived in a household that received some type of government benefit in the first quarter of 2010, according to Census data. Those numbers have risen since the middle of the recession when 44.4% lived households receiving benefits in the third quarter of 2008.


    Click for full-size imageThe share of people relying on government benefits has reached a historic high, in large part from the deep recession and meager recovery, but also because of the expansion of government programs over the years. (See a timeline on the history of government benefits programs here.)

    Means-tested programs, designed to help the needy, accounted for the largest share of recipients last year. Some 34.2% of Americans lived in a household that received benefits such as food stamps, subsidized housing, cash welfare or Medicaid (the federal-state health care program for the poor).

    Another 14.5% lived in homes where someone was on Medicare (the health care program for the elderly). Nearly 16% lived in households receiving Social Security.

    High unemployment and increased reliance on government programs has also shrunk the nation’s share of taxpayers. Some 46.4% of households will pay no federal income tax this year, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. That’s up from 39.9% in 2007, the year the recession began.


    Nearly Half of U.S. Lives in Household Receiving Government Benefit - Real Time Economics - WSJ

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    I wish my retirement fund grew like that.
     
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    Hire more people and pay them better......Problem solved......
     
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    I'm surprised it's not higher, when you consider the elderly, the poor and students.
     
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    "I wish my portfolio grew like that."

    Really?

    You wish your portfolio grew when people became poor, unemployed, or old? In a one-to-one relationship?

    Dum-dums: When government distributes benefits, government doesn't therefore get the money. The people getting those benefits get the money. Guess what: it's mainly cuz they need it.

    What a coinkidink. The baby boom passes retirement age and gets medicare. OH NO!!! MORE PEOPLE ARE ON GOVERNMENT BENEFITS!!!!

    The fat cats on Wall Street get fatter for decades, and poverty and unemployment also simultaneously INCREASE.

    OH NO!!!! MORE PEOPLE ARE ON GOVERNMENT BENEFITS!!!!

    Dupes chant "deregulate" for decades, the bottom drops out, and the REST OF US have to give "government benefits" to the likes of AIG when they turn our economy into a casino... then in a blink of an eye, home values, jobs, and industrial activities tank and you wipe out global middle class wealth and then...

    OH NO!!!! MORE PEOPLE ARE ON GOVERNMENT BENEFITS!!!!

    please be quiet edited, as they say around here.

    PFnV
     
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    Aggregate numbers do not mean all that much, need to break it down.. suspect that a lot of this increase in programs are due to heavy use of food stamps, which is a Department of Agriculture Program and benefits farmers as much as it does the beneficiary.

    Maybe some of the benefits are the tax refunds due to the uber rich because of tax loopholes..
     
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    Does this count the families of everybody who ever worked at Goldman-Sachs, BoA, or AIG, just f'rinstance?
     
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    How about everybody who's ever realized a capital gain, and paid 15% to take the $ off the table, rather than a rate in the 20s or 30s for working for the money?
     
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    Yeah one more thing RW, "Wahhhhhh you're engaging in class warfare."

    Okay done w/you for the morning. I think.

    PFnV
     
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    #18 Jersey

    What others so far have failed to address is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for 50% of Americans to provide for the other 50%. Last year, I said it is impossible for 60% to provide for 40%...

    C'mon folks....there is only one word for this....


    UNSUSTAINABLE
     
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    Self Destruction
    Back To Communism
    Give Your Money To The Wino
    KILL ALL THE RICH PEOPLE

    Next Day:
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    #24 Jersey

    Harry, you do realize you and your wife are part of that 48.5%, don't you?
     
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    bogus wording........

    a family of 6 has one person collecting unemployment benefits.....all 6 are counted

    a family of 3 is getting government back educational lending for 1.....count all 3
     
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    Not to mention every soldier, paid on the public dole, and every vet who gets veterans benefits, retirement, or government subsidized tri-care.

    I'm sure when the goal is to build a solid wall of 1/2 the country "freeloading" you take the stats where you get them, n'est pas?

    :rolleyes:

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    #24 Jersey

    Part quoted:

    High unemployment and increased reliance on government programs has also shrunk the nation’s share of taxpayers. Some 46.4% of households will pay no federal income tax this year, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. That’s up from 39.9% in 2007, the year the recession began.


    Second paragraph - not quoted:

    Most of those households will still be hit by payroll taxes. Just 18.1% of households pay neither payroll nor federal income taxes and they are predominantly the nation’s elderly and poorest families.
     
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    Great so almost half the country will not pay any income tax. Good times.


    Second Paragraph:

    Payroll taxes include SS and medicare which are not refundable, or avoidable. So while people may pay "payroll" tax, they aren't likely paying the federal tax portion related to income.
     
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    I realize that I went to work on a horse and wagon peddling ice and oil when I was 14 years old and never stopped working until I was 62, I paid every single TAX I was ever asked to pay for all of those years.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    No one's saying you didn't, Harry. We're also not saying that the 30.5% of people included in the 48.5% of "households receiving government benefits" didn't do the same.

    Another 14.5% lived in homes where someone was on Medicare (the health care program for the elderly). Nearly 16% lived in households receiving Social Security.

    It doesn't matter what you did your whole life - if you are currently collecting SS and covered under Medicare, you are considered to be receiving government benefits.

    The whole idea of calling it "households" is misleading to begin with. By those standards, anyone whose child has a government school loan is included in the 48.5% regardless of the fact that both parents work and pay federal income taxes. If an aged parent lives with you, you are counted as being a "household receiving government benefits," even though you pay a good deal of federal taxes on your own.
     
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    America's waking up, and the echo-chamber doesn't like it.
     
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    It seems like capitalism may as Marx predicted it would. There are not enough markets to support the need of capitalism to expand, especially given the rise in competition from places like China. Of course, while Marx's prediction might have been sound, his alternative is not. Capitalism may fail, but is there anything better?
     
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