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    Scroll down to "Mitch Petrus," the OG from Arkansas who may go as high as the 2nd. 3rd or 4th more likely.

    2010 NFL Combine Results: Offensive Linemen | Steelers Depot

    I've heard of guys doing 39 like Tony Mandarich 20 years ago or Long, the Miami LT. I think Dan Klecko did something like that, too, coming out of Temple.

    But 45? My goodness. Is that a record?
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    The record for bench press at the NFL combine is 51 reps of 225lbs, set by Justin Ernest, (DT), of Eastern Kentucky in 1999.

    The guy didnt even get drafted!
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    I think Kudla of Ohio St. also put up 45 a couple of years ago. He didn't get drafted either.

    Petrus, however, is different. Even before the bench numbers came back, I had him in my top 3 OGs (not counting Pouncey).
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    I'd certainly like for us to grab Petrus and I liked him before the combine as well, but I wish they'd get rid of the bench press as a means of testing guys. When they're at the point of cranking out that many reps it's actually hurting their performance as a lineman.
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    I'm trying to wrap my head around that kind of strength. I lift religiously and right now my 1-rep max is 320 but I can probably only bench 135lbs 30 times before fatiguing. To be able to do 90 more pounds 15 more times is just unthinkable to me.

    He could easily bench 600, which only a handful of people are capable of.
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    My lifting coach can bench 810. How many reps of 225 would that be, approximately?

    I wouldn't mind picking up Petrus, but it looks like he'll be going sometime between 53 and 116, which we don't have any picks between.
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    Petrus is a project, he's still fairly new to OG and needs more coaching up, probably a year in the system.
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    There really is no way to approximate how many reps he can do of 225, it's completely possible for the 800lb bencher to be beaten repping out on 225lbs by a guy who can only max 500lbs.
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    He has small hands ... 9.5" ... he's not coming here.

    Belichick likes big hands for line people.
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    How so? If one can crank 40+ reps at 225 I don't see how that will hurt their performance. As long as they have the size, agility and skill I don't think it would matter.
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    It's impossible to tell, but a point of reference most of the guys that rep 40 can bench 400-500. So I my internet guess for 800 might be in the 50-60 range.
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    mike ruth (I believe the original workout warrior) did a bunch, but his arms didn't come down to his waist.....it doesn't matter how much you can bench if you can't get your hands on your opponent

    to me what is impressive is someone like geather....he only 26, but he's got 37 3/4" arms

    OT bruce campbell......36 1/4" arms, 34 reps, 4.79/40 at 6'6"/314....this guy could be the prototypical 3-4 DE based on his numbers......
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    Form follows function, when you have a guy like Petrus train to crank out a ton of reps in a relatively light (for him) weight you're training his muscle fibers to become slow-twitch rather than fast twitch. With football players you want fast-twitch explosive athletes, and Petrus is supposed to lack power at the line which makes that kind of training especially bad for him.

    If you were to take a stop watch and time how long a lineman actually mixes it up with a defender during a play it would actually work out to 5-8 seconds (this is what I observed when I timed plays), so what you want is for someone to be able to exert a lot of explosive force for 5-8 seconds and observe their ability to do that over a period of time, in the same intervals they'd need to during a game. That would tell you a ton of useful info but the bench press nonsense is pretty useless.

    They would be WAY better off just have the guys go nuts on a sled for 5-8 seconds, having them do weighted ring pushups with their feet on a fitness ball would also be decent.
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    so what...put some gloves on him! :)
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    Obviously they don't train pushing 225 every time they bench but this is a way to compare different players in terms of strength so they see who can do more reps at a certain weight. It basically shows how often a player frequents the weight room and the stronger a lineman, the better I would think. I agree that there is more to it than strength and yeah, they could probably test in other ways than bench press but I think it's fine.
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    Igor Olshansky did 40-something when he was coming out of school.
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    The problem is that it really doesn't tell you about the strength of most linemen.

    If they can only do 5 reps it tells you about strength but if it's between player A, who can do 29 reps, and player B who can do 33 reps, you only know about their short term endurance, which has almost no translation to football, which necessitates long term (over 3 hours) explosiveness. If you wanted to know about their actual strength you'd need heavier weight that would challenge them, and you'd also want to know about the speed that they can lift it, which would indicate explosiveness.

    So why would you want them to jump through hoops on an activity that gives you almost no indication to how they'll perform on the field?
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    yeah man I gotcha. Like I said, I'm sure there are better ways to do it but to me, the bench press is good enough. Maybe the player should put the amount of weight they want on it and people can judge it by that.
    Player A- 520 lbs 10 reps
    Player B- 565 9 reps
    Player C- 475 10 reps

    Like that rather than all benching 225.:confused2:
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    That would certainly make more sense than what they're doing now, the problem is that simple minded evaluators will likely want a 1 size fits all method of evaluating, which is why they insist on a standard weight. At the very least they'd be better off using an incline press as opposed to flat bench.

    You'd also want to measure the distance the bar travels as well as the speed. I'd actually prefer them doing something like this with weighted vests.

    YouTube - gymnastic ring push up with feet on medicine ball
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    That looks interesting, I've never seen anyone doing that before.
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