40 man Roster Core & The End Of the Roster

[mgteich]

I expect that these 40 positions get almost all of the non-ST reps and provide backups. IMHO, there can be considerable flexibility on the other THIRTEEN roster spots (plus Practice Squad). The bottom 13 includes special teamers, developmental players and additional positional backups. IMHO, we need the players/positions below to play plus Sters (including returners).
I would be fine by only having the below active with the rest being STers and returners.

OFFENSE (17)
QB 2
WR 3
TE 2
RB 3
OL 7

DEFENSE (19)
DL 8
LB 4
CB 4
S 3

SPECIALISTS (4)
K 1
P 1
LS 1
ST 1

 

[Leemo]

so are you going to put actual names predictions to these 40 players?

 

[Leemo]

OFFENSE (17)
QB 2 Brady, Mallett
WR 3 Amendola, Dobson, Boyce
TE 2 Gronk, Hernandez
RB 3 Ridley, Vereen, Bolden
OL 7 Solder, Vollmer, Wendell, Connolly, McDonald, Cannon, Svitek

DEFENSE (19)
DL 8 Wilfork, Love, Armstead, Jones, Kelly, Ninko, Deadrick, Francis
LB 4 Mayo, Spikes, Hightower, Collins
CB 4 Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Ryan
S 3 McCourty, A Wilson, T Wilson

SPECIALISTS (4)
K 1 Gostkowski
P 1 Mesko
LS 1 Aiken
ST 1 Slater

 

[belichick010405]

Leemo - I would write Svitek's name in pencil and not in ink.

Zusevics could certainly become this teams' 3rd offensive tackle. Zusevics has been in the Patriots system and considering the work that Dante has put in with him could certainly give him an edge, competition-wise. The other thing to remember is that Zusevics is a rather mobile offensive lineman.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/markus-zusevics-56/

And - I would certainly have Edelman making the first 40.

 

[Leemo]

Leemo - I would write Svitek's name in pencil and not in ink.

Zusevics could certainly become this teams' 3rd offensive tackle. Zusevics has been in the Patriots system and considering the work that Dante has put in with him could certainly give him an edge, competition-wise. The other thing to remember is that Zusevics is a rather mobile offensive lineman.

ProFootballWeekly.com - Draft Prospect - Markus Zusevics

And - I would certainly have Edelman making the first 40.

completely forgot about Edelperson

 

[patsfaninpa]

OFFENSE (17)
QB 2 Brady, Mallett
WR 3 Amendola, Dobson, Boyce
TE 2 Gronk, Hernandez
RB 3 Ridley, Vereen, Bolden
OL 7 Solder, Vollmer, Wendell, Connolly, McDonald, Cannon, Svitek

DEFENSE (19)
DL 8 Wilfork, Love, Armstead, Jones, Kelly, Ninko, Deadrick, Francis
LB 4 Mayo, Spikes, Hightower, Collins
CB 4 Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Ryan
S 3 McCourty, A Wilson, T Wilson

SPECIALISTS (4)
K 1 Gostkowski
P 1 Mesko
LS 1 Aiken
ST 1 Slater

You missed Mankins on your 7 OL. Drop Svitek off that list. Only other area I might disagree is DL. If Armstead is a dt, that's 5. Not 100 pct sure we carry that many. I still have J. Cunningham ahead of Francis. But, barely. Hoping we sign John Abraham. Then my 8 would be C.Jones, Wilfork, T. Kelly, Ninko, Abraham, Love, Armstead and Cunningham. I think Fortson gives Deaderick a run for his money. And, I think Buchanan, Bequette, Francis and Cunningham battle it out for 2 spots. Like the rest.

 

[willard]

Oops missed that on the OL, Mankins yes.

For the top 40 I would increase the offense number by 1 by adding a 3rd TE. I would decrease the defense by 1 at DL.

Leemo pretty much nailed how I was thinking with Edelperson replacing Boyce. With the number change I would drop Deaderick from the top 40 and add Ballard.

Solid competition throughout the roster for camp and preseason.


Real solid roster this year with some of the names in free agency being added. Once again the Patriots are one of the top 2 or 3 favorites from the AFC to go all the way.

Perhaps this is the year we win it all and sit on top of the world for a while.

 

[jmt57]

Assuming the premise of a 40-man core, and the numbers mgteich assigned to each position, then I would go with the following:


OFFENSE (17)
QB (2) - Brady, Mallett
WR (3) - Amendola, Dobson, Boyce
TE (2) - Gronkowski, Hernandez
RB (3) - Ridley, Vereen, TBD (Washington, Bolden, Blount)
OL (7) - Solder, Mankins, Wendell, Connolly, Vollmer, Cannon, TBD (Svitek, Zusevics, McDonald)

DEFENSE (19)
DL (8) - Wilfork, Jones, Ninkovich, and the other 5 TBD (Love, Armstead, Kelly, Deadrick, Francis, Cunningham, Bequette, Buchanon, Cherrington, Grissom, Vega)
LB (4) - Mayo, Hightower, Collins, Spikes
CB (4) - Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Ryan
S (3) - McCourty, A Wilson, T Wilson

SPECIALISTS (4)
K (1) - Gostkowski
P (1) - Mesko
LS (1) - Aiken
ST (1) - Slater



I would also note that although I designated TBD for some roster battles, that would be my 40-man core, and that does not mean that all of those players listed should be considered locks, or even near-locks to make the roster. I just think those in particular are too close to call at this point.

For the final 13 spots that would set up plenty more very interesting roster battles and opinions.


.

 

[Sfpat]

Assume Ras-I is healthy and makes the top 40

 

[belichick010405]

Assuming the premise of a 40-man core, and the numbers mgteich assigned to each position, then I would go with the following:


OFFENSE (17)
QB (2) - Brady, Mallett
WR (3) - Amendola, Dobson, Boyce
TE (2) - Gronkowski, Hernandez
RB (3) - Ridley, Vereen, TBD (Washington, Bolden, Blount)
OL (7) - Solder, Mankins, Wendell, Connolly, Vollmer, Cannon, TBD (Svitek, Zusevics, McDonald)

DEFENSE (19)
DL (8) - Wilfork, Jones, Ninkovich, and the other 5 TBD (Love, Armstead, Kelly, Deadrick, Francis, Cunningham, Bequette, Buchanon, Cherrington, Grissom, Vega)
LB (4) - Mayo, Hightower, Collins, Spikes
CB (4) - Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Ryan
S (3) - McCourty, A Wilson, T Wilson

SPECIALISTS (4)
K (1) - Gostkowski
P (1) - Mesko
LS (1) - Aiken
ST (1) - Slater



I would also note that although I designated TBD for some roster battles, that would be my 40-man core, and that does not mean that all of those players listed should be considered locks, or even near-locks to make the roster. I just think those in particular are too close to call at this point.

For the final 13 spots that would set up plenty more very interesting roster battles and opinions.


.

where is EDELMAN!

 

[patsfan13]

Not sure of the numbers I can't see only 2 TE's on the core since we run a 2 TE base combined with the injury history of Gronk & AH.


I would just Ballard onto JMT57's list.

 

[belichick010405]

Not sure of the numbers I can't see only 2 TE's on the core since we run a 2 TE base combined with the injury history of Gronk & AH.


I would just Ballard onto JMT57's list.

Mount Zus was a former tight end as well. I like his chances of making the final 53 a lot more than Svitek....

JMT - don't take offense about the large lettering because I was not implying that I was yelling. With that said - there is no way that Edelman is not a part of this teams' first 40.

 

[jmt57]

where is EDELMAN!

I wouldn't consider him to be one of the three locks to make the roster, therefore I left him out.

If you had to place a monetary bet on which three wide receivers would most likely make the roster, would you include Edelman?

If so, who would you remove: Amendola, Dobson or Boyce?

I do think Edelman makes the roster; I was just working within the OP's original parameters.


If you change the number of players at each position, then Edelman's chance of being in the top 40 greatly improve.

 

[belichick010405]

I wouldn't consider him to be one of the three locks to make the roster, therefore I left him out.

If you had to place a monetary bet on which three wide receivers would most likely make the roster, would you include Edelman?

If so, who would you remove: Amendola, Dobson or Boyce?

I do think Edelman makes the roster; I was just working within the OP's original parameters.


If you change the number of players at each position, then Edelman's chance of being in the top 40 greatly improve.

I understand JMT

Ok - I would remove Boyce. Edelman is making this team for a number of reasons, including his ability to play the dual inside slot position and as a punt returner. His ability as a punt returner will be needed to replace Welker.

As far as a monetary bet - yes, I would. Edelman is making this team hands down even if roster sizes were for 40.

 

[s3antana5757]

I wouldn't consider him to be one of the three locks to make the roster, therefore I left him out.

If you had to place a monetary bet on which three wide receivers would most likely make the roster, would you include Edelman?

If so, who would you remove: Amendola, Dobson or Boyce?

I do think Edelman makes the roster; I was just working within the OP's original parameters.


If you change the number of players at each position, then Edelman's chance of being in the top 40 greatly improve.

Edelman is making the minimum. I wouldn't expect him to be a lock. Also 8 DL? Are you crazy? I wouldn't say there's anymore than 5 locks.(Armstead, Vince, Love, Ninko, Jones).

 

[primetime]

OFFENSE (18)
QB 2 Brady, Mallett
WR 3 Amendola, Dobson, Edelman
TE 3 Gronkowski, Hernandez, Ballard
RB 3 Ridley, Vereen, Washington
OL 7 Solder, Vollmer, Mankins, Connolly, Wendell, Cannon, McDonald

DEFENSE (18)
DL 7 Wilfork, Jones, Love, Ninkovich, Kelly, Armstead, Francis
LB 4 Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Collins
CB 4 Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Dowling
S 3 McCourty, Wilson, Wilson

SPECIALISTS (4)
K 1 Gostkowski
P 1 Mesko
LS 1 Aiken
ST 1 Slater

And why not...

Back of the roster (13): Boyce, D.Jones, Blount, Bolden, Hoomanawanui, Zusevics, Fletcher, Beauharnais, Ryan, Harmon, Ebner, Cunningham, Bequette

 

[belichick010405]

OFFENSE (18)
QB 2 Brady, Mallett
WR 3 Amendola, Dobson, Edelman
TE 3 Gronkowski, Hernandez, Ballard
RB 3 Ridley, Vereen, Washington
OL 7 Solder, Vollmer, Mankins, Connolly, Wendell, Cannon, McDonald

DEFENSE (18)
DL 7 Wilfork, Jones, Love, Ninkovich, Kelly, Armstead, Francis
LB 4 Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Collins
CB 4 Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Dowling
S 3 McCourty, Wilson, Wilson

SPECIALISTS (4)
K 1 Gostkowski
P 1 Mesko
LS 1 Aiken
ST 1 Slater

And why not...

Back of the roster (13): Boyce, D.Jones, Blount, Bolden, Hoomanawanui, Zusevics, Fletcher, Beauharnais, Ryan, Harmon, Ebner, Cunningham, Bequette

I would say that is just about right give or take 2-3 guys on the back of that 13 and that is the Patriots roster.....I would prefer someone like Buchanan over Fletcher and someone else taking a spot over the loser of the Blount/Bolden roster battle. Thats' a solid job right there primetime...:rocker:

 

[mgteich]

Structure first, then names.
I would note that I was not including Sters (other than 1) and returners. My premise is that they are part of the 13 (now 11) bottom positions. I certainly think that Edelman, Washington are locks to make the roster, and be active each week. Perhaps I should add returners for clarity. Now the roster is at 42.

Personally, I don't see any of these players are vulnerable, given our present roster. Obviously, Bolden could be beaten out for his roster spot. Of course, that leaves 11 open positions plus the Practice Squad.

I also have taken the advice from the thread and added a 3rd TE spot and lost a DL spot.

OFFENSE (18)
QB 2 Brady, Mallett
WR 3 Amendola, Boyce, Dobson
TE 3 Hernandez, Gronkowski, Ballard
RB 3 Ridley, Vareen, Bolden
OL 7 Solder, Mankins, Wendell, Connolly, Vollmer, Cannon, McDonald

DEFENSE (18)
DL 7 Ninkovich, Kelly, Armstead, Wilfork, Jones, Francis, Love
LB 4 Mayo, Spikes, Hightower, Collins
CB 4 Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Ryan
S 3 McCourty, T. Wilson, A. Wilson

SPECIALISTS (6)
K 1 Gostkowski
P 1 Mesko
LS 1 Aiken
ST 1 Slater
R Edelman, Washington

so are you going to put actual names predictions to these 40 players?

 

[jmt57]

Let's try this another way.

Rather than relying on the specific number of players at each position, totaling 40 players overall, how about placing players in to four categories:

• Locks: nearly 100% chance of making the roster, based on either past performance, financial considerations, recent draft status, or other expectations.
• Probable: Not locks, but will likely make the roster
• 50-50: self explanatory
• Outside looking in: Facing an uphill battle; unlikely to make the roster, though a couple from this group always make it
• No shot: self explanatory

Offense

Locks:
QB - Brady
RB - Ridley, Vereen
WR - Amendola, Dobson, Boyce
TE - Gronkowki, Hernandez
OT - Solder, Vollmer
G/C - Mankins, Wendell

Probable:
QB - Mallett
RB - Washington
WR - Edelman, Jones
TE - Ballard
OT -
G/C - Cannon, Connolly

50-50:
QB -
RB - Bolden, Blount
WR - Moe, Jenkins
TE - Hoomanawanui, Fells
OT - Zusevics, Svitek
G/C - N McDonald, Klein, C McDonald

Outside Looking In:
QB -
RB - Hines, Develin, Bartholomew
WR - Thompkins, Holmes, Aiken
TE - Ford, Sudfeld
OT - Fisher
G/C - Stankiewitch

No Shot:
QB - Kafka, Osiecki



Defense

Locks:
DT - Wilfork
DE - Jones, Ninkovich
LB - Mayo, Collins, Hightower, Spikes
CB - Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Logan
S - McCourty, A Wilson, T Wilson, Harmon

Probable:
DT - Love, Armstead, Kelly, Deaderick
DE - Francis, Buchanan, Bequette
LB - Beauharnais
CB -
S -

50-50:
DT - Forston
DE - Cunningham, Vega
LB - Fletcher, Koutouvides
CB - Dowling, Cole
S - Gregory, Ebner

Outside Looking In:
DL - Grissom, Cherrington, Vellano
LB - Rivera, Tarpinian
CB - Jones
S - Davis

No Shot:
DE - Benard
LB -
CB - Morris
S -



Special Teams
Lock: Slater, ST Ace; Gostkowski, K
Probable: Mesko, P; Aiken, LS
Outside Looking In: Allen, P; Zupancic, LS

 

[belichick010405]

Let's try this another way.

Rather than relying on the specific number of players at each position, totaling 40 players overall, how about placing players in to four categories:

• Locks: nearly 100% chance of making the roster, based on either past performance, financial considerations, recent draft status, or other expectations.
• Probable: Not locks, but will likely make the roster
• 50-50: self explanatory
• Outside looking in: Facing an uphill battle; unlikely to make the roster, though a couple from this group always make it
• No shot: self explanatory

Offense

Locks:
QB - Brady,
RB - Ridley, Vereen,
WR - Amendola, Dobson, Boyce
TE - Gronkowki, Hernandez
OT - Solder, Vollmer
G/C - Mankins, Wendell

Probable:
QB - Mallett
RB - Washington
WR - Edelman, Jones
TE - Ballard
OT -
G/C - Cannon, Connolly

50-50:
QB -
RB - Bolden, Blount
WR - Moe, Jenkins
TE - Hoomanawanui, Fells
OT - Zusevics, Svitek
G/C - N McDonald, Klein, C McDonald

Outside Looking In:
QB -
RB - Hines, Develin, Bartholomew
WR - Thompkins, Holmes, Aiken
TE - Ford, Sudfeld
OT - Fisher
G/C - Stankiewitch

No Shot:
QB - Kafka, Osiecki



Defense

Locks:
DT - Wilfork
DE - Jones, Ninkovich
LB - Mayo, Collins, Hightower, Spikes
CB - Talib, Dennard, Arrington, Logan
S - McCourty, A Wilson, T Wilson, Harmon

Probable:
DT - Love, Armstead, Kelly, Deaderick
DE - Francis, Buchanan, Bequette
LB - Beauharnais
CB -
S -

50-50:
DT - Forston
DE - Cunningham, Vega
LB - Fletcher, Koutouvides
CB - Dowling, Cole
S - Gregory, Ebner

Outside Looking In:
DL - Grissom, Cherrington, Vellano
LB - Rivera, Tarpinian
CB - Jones
S - Davis

No Shot:
DE - Benard
LB -
CB - Morris
S -



Special Teams
Lock: Slater, ST Ace; Gostkowski, K
Probable: Mesko, P; Aiken, LS
Outside Looking In: Allen, P; Zupancic, LS

That is a good way of looking at it and according to this chart, there are 7 guys competing for the final spots on a 53-man roster with a focus on the 50-50 guys. That is going to be a heck of a battle.