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  1. mayoclinic

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    New 2 round mock just out from Pat Kiran at nfl.com. It's using that confusing format where the 2nd round picks are listed under the team rather than in sequential order:

    Mock draft 5.0: New No. 1 overall pick, but it's still not Stafford

    For the Pats he has:

    23. Clay Mathews, LB
    34. Connor Barwin, OLB
    47. Donald Brown, RB
    58. Paul Kruger, DE

    He still has Chicago picking at #18, which is ludicrous this far out from the Cutler trade, so it seems rather sloppy to me.

    3 LB prospects in the top 4 seems silly for the Pats. I actually like the combination of Matthews and Barwin. Barwin is my binky, 'nuff said there. Matthews looked really fluid at his pro day and you could see he safety background in the way he moved. I still think he might move inside to SILB - he's not the typical thumper type and he needs to work on taking on lineman, but Guyton wasn't a prototypical SILB either. However, with both Louis Delmas (going #36 to Cleveland) and William Beatty (going #40 to the Raiders) available I probably would have preferred Barwin at 23 and one of those guys at 34, or to trade up.

    I think Donald Brown's a great back - he reminds me a bit of D'Angelo Williams in 2006, whom I wanted over Maroney; I like the way he runs low to the ground in traffic, and the way he catches out of the backfield - but with Jarron Gilbert going #48 to Denver it is hard to pass him up. And I don't see Kruger at 58 at all. Not with William Moore still on the board at safety.

    I'd be quite happy with Matthews, Barwin, Donald Brown and Will Moore on the first day. I'd probably prefer Barwin, Beatty, Gilbert and Moore even more, but I'm not at all unhappy with the Matthews and Brown picks.
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    Two olbs don't make too much sense ill take barwin out of the two looks like a better pass rusher.
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    No offensive or defensive linemen? Given the potential/development of Crable and/or Guyton, we may only take 1 LB on day one this year.
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    It makes sense if one plays inside at SILB - no different than all the scenarios with Maualuga and Barwin at 23 and 34 in some order. I actually like Matthews better in the long run than Maualuga at SILB for the Pats - he has the smarts, the pass coverage ability, the athleticism, and the motor. My biggest question is his ability to take on blockers.

    Again, I prefer other options (like Barwin and Beatty, or Barwin and Delmas) but it's not a particularly bad scenario. I've seen worse.
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    That is a great draft. It's really so great it will never happen.
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    We would take 2 LBs in the draft. If we dont get Peppers then we will get an OLB and an ILB(bruschi is in his last year of his contract!
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    Kirwin, remember, actually talks to Belichick occasionally. This seems like a very realistic scenario to me, although I don't really get the Donald Brown pick.

    All of the linebackers fit the Patriot mold, especially in the versatility department. They're all big and fast. Kruger looks like a classic Pats OLB, but he's also played inside. Barwin and Kruger are both big enough to set the edge and they both have good pass rushing skills -- these are the types of players the Pats have a hard time finding since most college OLBs are too small for the 3-4, while most DEs can't cover. Matthews is exactly the guy you'd want to play SILB next to Mayo -- he's tall enough and fast enough to cover tight ends. Plus he could play outside in a pinch.

    I'd love this draft, personally.
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    I agree I have no problem with BB using him as SILB the question is as you stated how well he can take on and shed blockers.
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    If you want to pick a guy fro SILB who si not a REy Maualuga runstuffer then why no tdraf Lauranitis. h esi a=has awesiome INT sof r an ILb, Great ILB blitz sack numbers, is smart as a whip and has done it for years. People downgradr Laurnaitis fro not tbeing extraordinary at taking on Guards,bu the is merely above average at it and probably better than a guy who never srtarted untiler 4 game sinot his senior year.

    Kruger sounds redundant. Two prime LBs, one ILB and one OLB, fills out the LB corps, for a generation.
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    The real ILB prospect is Kruger. So 3 LBs.
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    I hope you made it through the earthquake alright. ;)
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    Strong work. I didn't check his last one for comparison - my bad. I wouldn't have bothered to post a new thread if I'd realized it - just updated the thread on the old draft. Walterfootball also came out with a new 4 rounder today and I almost posted it, until I saw that their Pats picks were identical to what they had 4 days ago.
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    I have Barwin, Gilbert, Sintim, and Meredith going to the Pats in my mock. I don't think Kruger is big enough to be a Pats DE, so he'd be an OLB conversion. It's a bit much to take 3 linebackers imo.

    I'm thinking we might realistically take two LB in this year's draft. For example I can see us passing on Sintim to take a better safety in round 2 then taking a flyer on a Jason Williams in round 3. Can you imagine how ridiculously athletic our D would be after adding Barwin, Gilbert, and Williams?
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    I'd still trade 1 and 2b to get Maualuga then get an OLB at 2a, whether it's Barwin, English, whoever, then look to a Safety at 2c.
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    Once again- This mock is a little unreal. The players are not bad. I don't see Patriots using all these picks this year. I don't see Mathews, Barwin, and Kruger, plus Donald Brown all being available to Pat's where they select.
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    How about:

    1. Evander Hood-DE-Missouri

    2. Larry English-OLB-N.Illin.

    2. Eric Wood-c- Louisville

    2. Sherrod Martin-db-Troy

    3. Jason Williams-ILB- W.Illinois

    3. Bear Pascoe-TE-Fresno St.

    * I seriously doubt Pat's keep these picks. Jason Taylor, Peppers signings would alter any of these picks. I could see a ss at 34 or 47.
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    When I click on the link, I only find a 1-round mock.

    Wjere is the second round.
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    Matthews is a done nothing; living on ther national story of his dad and uncle.

    I don't draft guys who only started for the first time on their 4th game of their senior year. Talk about a half year wonder with no production history. Only might be someday drreams and projections.
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    It's a confusing format. If you read what is posted for each team, it lists the second round picks for that team. So if you look under the Pats at #23 where it lists Matthews and read what's written, what you see is:

    If the Patriots trade for Julius Peppers or sign Jason Taylor, then this pick is either gone or changes. For now, the rising star from USC is the perfect fit for Bill Belichick's defense. They come right back in the second round with another outside linebacker -- one who reminds me of Mike Vrabel.
    Second round: No. 34, Connor Barwin, OLB/DE/TE, Cincinnati; No. 47, Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut; No. 58, Paul Kruger, DE, Utah


    I don't like the format at all, both because it's easy to miss the 2nd round picks and because you can't look at it and easily see who went from 33-64 and in what exact order.
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