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  1. PATSNUTme

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    Ok, this is it. Our last chance to make fools of ourselves before BB goes in an entirely opposite direction.

    Patriots picks as of now are 27,31, 48, 62,93, & 126.

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    For the 1st round you can go up 3 spots or use the 1C or 1B on the value chart or any ranked below. For the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds, you can go up 5 spots or any ranked below the pick.

    If you do trades, make sure they make sense using the trade value chart.

    No mocking others mock until you have posted your mock to be mocked.:cool:

    Have fun and happy drafting.:rocker:
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    First using the PFW rankings:

    #27 Gilmore CB/FS SC
    #31 Jones DE/OLB Cuse
    #48 Hill WR GT
    #63 Jones C/G Ga
    #92 Tamamu DT Wash
    #126 Kelement OG/OT Wash

    Like the 1st 4 - not crazy about the last 2.

    Using the Draft Value chart, if both Barron and Hightower are on the board from 15-25, I say we use our capital to trade up and get both. 2 play makers on D is really all I want and the rest of the draft can be used as fill in's.
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    Using CBS rankings

    27: Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
    31: Shea McClellin OLB/DE Boise St
    48: Harrison Smith S Notre Dame
    63: Mychal Kendricks ILB Cal
    92: Greg Childs WR Arkansas
    126: Derek Wolfe DE/DT Cincinnati
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    I play online poker, and there have been hands when I know I'm beat - I'll have two pair and the other guy three bets me, and I just know he has a set - but I call anyway.

    That's where I'm at with our first choice. I am nearly 100% certain this will not be the pick, but I'm mocking it just the same.

    27 S. McClellen OLB - Everyone else they have targetted is off the boards. I foresee a huge run on edge rushers and defensive ends.

    Last year the Pat's passed on Cam Jordan and M. Wilkerson, so I can't see them this year taking someone like R. Keyes with their first pick, while Still and Worthy are not currently schematic fits. McClellen can play three downs and probably special teams. Will need to work on strength and setting the edge. Concussion history may be an issue.

    According to the PFW chart this is a major reach. However after reading reviews about the Patriots draft last year, every one of their picks was considered a reach. BB has proven he doesn't care about that. There is no other player that offers the versatility that McClellen does that he can get later.

    31 Lavonte David- ILB Suprise pick. From all indications the Patriots are in the market for a cover LB who has potential to rush the passer. M. Kenricks is also a possiblity. David gets the nod as it appears he has better instincts and also will do a better job in pass coverage. 31 is probably going to be a difficult pick to trade.

    48 K. Reyes, DE/DT . Defensive line depth, possible updgrade over Deadrick or Love. BPA for our scheme at this point in the draft.

    62 Brandon Boykin CB Develomental corner, can play in the nickle package, offers return value.

    93: Brandon Taylor, S Has the tools and ability to develop as a solid safety. Over aggressiveness and bad angles among other flaws can be coached up.

    126 Greg Childs, WR. We have 10 receivers currently, but they are all 30 are older. Childs is coming off injury or he may have gone in Rd 2.
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    27. Janoris Jenkins
    31. Shea McClellin
    48. Trumain Johnson
    62. Bruce Irvin
    93. Marvin Jones
    126 Jarius Wright
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    There is a really good chance Gilmore is going in the top 10 (Jaguars.) Hill will be long gone by 48, some team is going to fall in love with his speed.
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    Both of these are really good mocks - but I have trouble seeing the Patriots taking Jenkins with their first pick, and I believe the Globe has stated we aren't interested in him.
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    Really? Did you just mention the Globe and the Patriots in the same sentence? They have about as much credibility as you or I. You may be right that they have no interest whatsoever with his troublesome past, but for all we know as armchair gm's he may be tops on their board and laying low on the guy. the same could be said for a lot of players in this draft.
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    27. Nick Perry OLB USC
    31. Kendall Reyes DE UCONN
    48. Harrison Smith FS Notre Dame
    62. Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
    93. Greg Childs WR Arkansas
    126. Brandon Mosley OT Auburn
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    27 - Stephon Gilmore - CB
    31 - Kendall Reyes - DL
    48 - Whitney Mercilus, DE
    62 - Harrison Smith, S
    93 - Chris Givens, WR
    126 - Derek Wolfe, DL
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    27-Kenall Reyes, DE
    31-Janoris Jenkins, CB
    48. Stephen Hill, WR
    62- Harrison Smith, S
    93- Jonathon Martin, OT
    126-Shea McLellin, OLB

    PFW's rankings do not seem to match up with the status quo, but if I can get McLellin in the 4th round, thank you very much!
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    CBS Rankings

    27 Devon Still 3-4 DE
    31 Shea McClennin 3-4 OLB
    48 Lavonte David Coverage LB
    62 Trumaine Johnson CB/FS
    93 Greg Childs WR
    126 Jonathan Massaquoi Nickel Rusher
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    CBS Rankings (With Trades)

    #27 traded to Broncos for 1st 2013 and #57
    #31 Shea McClellin (Boise State) - Most versatile 3-4 OLB in the draft showing solid ability to rush the passer and drop into coverage.
    #48 Lavonte David (Nebraska) - Coverage LB who improves the Patriots nickel package against the pass.
    #58 Jared Crick (Nebraska) - 3-4 2 gap experience but will need to hit the weight room vying for a nickel rusher spot early in his career.
    #88 Ron Brooks (LSU) -Versatile slot CB who is an excellent blitzer.
    #95 Greg Childs (Arkansas) WR - Patriots convinced he will recover from his injury.
    #118 traded for 2013 3rd
    #127 Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy) - Nickel Outside Rusher.
    #139 Derek Wolfe (Cincinatti) - Nickel Interior Rusher to take the place of Mike Wright whilst developing technique to play in base.
    #177 Nate Potter (Boise State) OT - #4 Tackle for the Patriots.
    #204 Michael Smith (Utah State) RB - Sits behind Ridley, Vereen and Woodhead.

    #62 traded to Eagles for #88,#114,#153,#172,#200
    #114 & #153 traded to Browns for #118 & #139

    With the draft relatively weak at the safety position the Patriots look in house with Sterling Moore, Devin McCourty or Ras I Dowling to fill the problem spot in the middle of the Patriots secondary.
    Patriots pick up 5 top 100 picks yet still manage to procure 2013 1st and 3rd round picks.
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    27 Dont'a Hightower OLB Alabama
    31 Chandler Jones DE/OLB Syracuse
    48 Amini Silatolu OG/OT Midwestern State
    62 Jared Crick DE Nebraska
    93 Chase Minniefield CB Virginia
    126 Chris Rainey RB/WR/KR Florida
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    CBS rankings (updated 4/20/2012)

    1st round
    27 Coby Fleener TE. Stanford. Triple tight end attack! Welker, Lloyd, Gronk, Hernandez, Fleener. Stop that! Nuff said!

    31 Shea Mccllelin. OLB. Boise State. Snowball chance of happening. But let's dream!

    2nd round

    48 Harrison Smith. SS. Notre Dame. Projects to be a solid all around safety with physicality. Good ball skills. Sometimes solid is all you need. Especially if your secondary was a sieve in crunch time like last year.

    62 Trumaine Johnson CB/S. Montana. Offers positional versatility on defense, special teams ability, and the occasional trick play as a former HS QB.

    3rd round
    93 Michael Brewster C/G. Ohio St. Because protecting the franchise is priority one. Has flexibility to swing to guard if need be.

    4th round
    126 Derek Wolfe DT Cincinatti. A disruptive defensive lineman who could contribute early in a role similar to Mike Wright.
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    CBS Rankings with Trades:

    27. Shea McClellin, LB, Boise State - Again... probably won't happen, but I could see Belichick falling in love with his versatility.

    TRADE: Patriots trade #31 to Cleveland for #37, #118, and #211. Cleveland selects Brandon Weeden.

    TRADE: Patriots trade #37 to Houston for a 2013 1st round pick and #121. Houston selects Stephen Hill.

    48. Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington - Will give the Pats everything Ron Brace was supposed to - including the versatility to play Wilfork more at RDE.

    62. Mychal Kendricks, LB, California - Replacement for Gary Guyton?

    93. Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State - Great size, good smarts... Pats will think they can coach some of those footwork flaws out of his game.

    118. Brandon Mosely, OT, Auburn - Nasty offensive linemen with decent feet. Likely a guard at the next level, but can play tackle in a pinch.

    121. Derek Wolfe, DL, Cincinnati - Yup, I'm buying the hype here, too. Productive, versatile, and he fits a need.

    126. Devon Wylie, WR, Fresno State - Wes Welker Starter Kit.

    211. Cory Harkey, TE, Stanford - Yup, a Tight End. BB loves 'em, and I think Hernandez plays more WR this year. Harkey's a great blocker.
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    Yeah, but in the late 4th where he belongs.
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    Trades:

    1. Trade 27 (680) with Miami who selects Ryan Tannehill for 42 (480) a 2013 1st round pick and swap pick 48 (420) for pick 72 (230)

    2. Trade 62 (284) to Saints (who don't want to wait to round 3 to make their first pick) for 89 (145) and a 2013 2nd round pick

    3. Trade 72 (230) and 93 (128) to Falcons for 55 (350).

    4. Trade 89 (145) to Cincinnati for 116 (62), 156 (30), 166(26)

    The Picks:

    31. Kendall Reyes DT - shores up DT/DE rotation
    42. Whitney Mercilus - DE/OLB - stud pass rusher
    55. Josh Robinson CB - sleeper stud
    116. Markelle Martin FS - not psyched about this pick, but its a position of need
    126. Shea McClellan DE/OLB - Booya! Ya I doubled up on DE/OLB
    156. Philip Blake C - lets see if he can be the anchor of the future
    166. Chase Minnifield CB - nice DB depth

    plus 2013 1st rounder and 2nd rounder
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    Ok, here are 2 mocks. One with trades and one without

    A. Trades -

    1. Pats trade Ryan Mallet to the Browns for #37. For all the reasons already given

    2. They Trade the 93 to the Saints for their 3rd and 5th round picks in 2013 - The Saints need picks this year

    3. They Trade the 126 to the Colts for their 3rd round pick in 2013 and Silvestri Colts get a pick and a body

    4. They trade the 27, 37, and Sergio Brown to the Eagles for the 11th pick - Pats need to sweeten the deal and give the Eagles a decent special teamer.

    5. We trade the 31 to the Colts for the 34th and 97, 214 The Colts pay a small premium to jump the Giants to get Fleener.

    The Pats now own the #11, 34, 48, 62, 97, 214th picks

    11. - Quentin Coples - Top 5 talent that has dropped due to a questionable motor. BB has determined that part of the problem was in the NC program where he wasn't challenged enough. He will certainly be challenged here. Some risk, but very high rewards and BB takes a shot - A situational rusher from both the edge and inside now - eventually he'll get to 300 and be a 3 down 3-4 DE BTW - I'd take Cox here if he were available, but I doubt it.
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    34- Shea McCellin - OLB/DE - he or Branch will be here. I'd take either and be happy. In this scenario I'll take Shea who reminds me a lot of Ryan Kerrigan - Situational player this year, he needs to get stronger

    48- Janoris Jenkins CB- He falls this far and no farther. The risk is now well worth the
    reward

    62- Trumaine Johnson CB - projected to be the coverage S the Pats are looking for long term. - I'd take Iloki here if Johnson is gone

    97- Ryan Miller OT - No impact this year but could be in a year or two at RT - Billy Winn, Baquette, and Wolfe are possibilities if available

    214- Dale Moss - WR - a perfect guy to bring in and put on the PS for a year. He has the size and youth we need long term....but not next year. tip of the hat to OTG for this guy

    Those 6 players plus extra 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks in 2013

    Without trades - and a whole lot less fun

    27. Devon Still DE/DT
    31 Shea McCellin OLB/DE
    48 Janoris Jenkins CB
    62 Trumaine Johnson S/CB
    93 Billy Winn DT
    126 Ryan Broyles WR
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    The ATippett56 Final 2012 NFL Mock Draft! :D

    You want offense, then go away! :eek:

    2012 New England Patriots Potential Draft Scenario:

    #27 Shea McClellin, DE/OLB Boise State
    #31 Trade with the Eagles for #51, #200 and a 2013 2nd Round Draft Pick
    #48, #51 Trade with the Vikings for #35, #66
    #35 Kendall Reyes, DT Connecticut
    #62 Jamell Fleming, CB Oklahoma (conversion to free safety)
    #66 Trade with the Cowboys for #81, #113
    #81 Casey Hayward, CB Vanderbilt
    #93 Greg Childs, WR Arkansas
    #113 Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma (PUP/IR Candidate)
    #126 Derek Wolfe, DT Cincinnati
    #200 Tony Dye, SS UCLA

    Now, if the New England Patriots could find a sucker to trade Ron Brace for at least a seventh round draft pick. Hello Oakland Raiders!

    P.S. I really hate this safety draft class!
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    Using the CBS ranking which I disagree on many players. There is no way Hightower will be #41 and Barron won't last until #20.

    So the Patriots Trade #27 &48 to the Eagles for #15, 145, & 189 and trade #31 & 63 to the Browns for #22, 118, & 183

    #15 Mark Barron, S, Ala
    #22 Donta Hightower, LB, Ala
    #93 Markelle Martin, S, SC
    #118 Sergio Kekemete, OT Wash
    #126 Derrick Wolfe, DT Cinn- he will not be there but that's how they have him rated.
    #145 Brett Roy, DE/LB Nev
    #183 Joe Looney, C/G Wake
    #189 Devon Wylie, WR, Fresno
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    Ok here goes my final mock before the draft, using PFW's chart:

    27: Courtney Upshaw - Terrific football player who like Brandon Spikes didn't test that well but is a football player, was productive in college, was a performer against good competition in big games and is the BPA in my opinion at a position of need.

    31: Devon Still: Been a favorite 3-4 DE target of mine for a while. The talk seems to be he underachieved at Pen, but for me he seems to be the most talented and highest upside 3-4 that has been in our reach for some time. i rated him higher than Muhamad Wilkerson and Cam Jordan. I think he is a better penetrating 3-4 DE than Cam Heyward and has more upside than Cam Heyward last year. Only question marks for me are can he be a leader one day taking over the reigns from big Vince? I don't know but i am willing to give his talent a shot here. (i know this may be traded but i am taking the picks in this draft to help the D)

    48: Janoris Jenkis CB: I will probably get killed for this but... I am hoping they talk to the kid and give him the ok. He would add immediate depth and talent at CB. This would let BB have the ability to play Devin either FS or CB (wherever BB thinks he is best) and have a full pre season at the position. I don't think BB will make this pick but after watching his tape, the kid can play and he could also take over Kick Off returns from Woody.

    62: Jonathan Martin - Way to much value here to pass up, Injury risk replacement for Vollmer, lets us find the best position for Cannon RT or RG. Gives us lots of flexibility at tackle with Solder, Vollmer, Cannon and now Martin.

    93.) Brandon Boykin: Has the athleticisim for the position, was a good special teamer and has dropped due to medical history. Sounds right up the patriots alley, also adds insurance if Jenkins hasn't reformed as much as we had hoped. Hopefully will mean we don't have to revert to street FA's again.

    126.) Markell Martin: Talented player at FS who could be an interesting pick up for this team. Will at least hopefully beat out the IR machine we have there at the moment for a back up Role to our other safety's.

    So to Sum up:

    OLB/DE Upshaw
    DE/DT Still
    CB Jenkins
    OT Martin
    CB Boykin
    FS Martin

    A bit defensively heavy but i didn't see a RB i liked at our picks and didn't think a WR would make this roster over Branch, Ocho, Edelman, Gonzales or Stallworth. I think that this draft has the potential to revolutionise our Defense (if the risks pay off) and really help Brady and BB get that 4th ring.
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    27. Kendall Reyes, DL, UConn

    If nothing else, his sack celebrations remind me of Richard's, so he's got that going for him.

    31. Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame

    Most versatile safety in the class and probably the best. Might not be saying much at the end of business, but there it is.

    48. Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida

    Quick, quick, quick.

    62. Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, WVU

    Tossup between he and Perry as to who will be the best pass rusher to come from this draft.

    93. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma

    Shocked to see him ranked this high, but he's the most athletic tackle in this draft.

    126. Jake Bequette, DE/OLB, Arkansas

    Doubling down on OLB candidates. Between Bequette and Irvin, I'm seeing the possibility of revamping a position that has held the team hostage since Vrabel and Rosie started collecting AARP benefits.


    Pretty sure I could have got each of these guys later than the indicated pick, so the potential to trade down and buff this crop of picks with bonus picks exists, but I'm far too lazy to go through that.
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    First/Last Mock, assuming no trades, and using the PFW rankings:

    27. Nick Perry, DE, USC

    I don't love this pick, and if I were in control of the draft board, I wouldn't make this pick. But I'm not BB, and I can see the logic here. Perry is one of the few proven pass rushers on the table, and has the best pedigree/metrics of any of them. Football Outsiders (a site I respect) has Perry as the only highly-projected pass rusher that they deem worthy of that pick, and I think BB will as well. Also, I'm of the belief that the four-lineman 'sub' defense is our main one, which takes away concerns I have of Perry not wanting to play standing up.

    Oh, and if he's there at 27 and we don't take him, he'll be gone to the Packers at 28. Hence why I picked him instead of my next pick...

    31. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

    Just too much value here to pass on him, with no guarantee he'll be around at 48. One of the best cover CBs in 2010, he would have been picked before Prince (and certainly before Ras-I) if he had declared last year. Instead, we have a chance at a shutdown corner. Seriously, if it were just down to the tape, he'd be a top-10 pick. However, the character concerns are serious, which is why I think he falls. BB has a history of taking in players with character concerns, though, and everything I've read indicates that J. Jenkins loves football, a trait we know BB appreciates and looks for.

    48. Mike Martin, DT/Versatile, Michigan

    I love this guy. Love him. He's versatile, hardworking, routinely took on double teams at Michigan, a four-year starter, strong as a bull, with a bit of a pass rush. Also looked great at the Senior Bowl, and crushed Mike Brewster at the Mich/Ohio St. game. I could go on, but yeah...just love the guy. I see him as an immediate Mike Wright replacement, with a bright future on our Dline. The only issue I see is that he has no set 'position', but I feel that Patricia would love him too.

    62. Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, WVU

    First off, I don't see any way the Pats take both him and Nick Perry. However, I do think that one of these picks will be traded to next year, as this draft isn't particularly strong. Thus, I'm hedging my bets a bit with this pick. This is another pick I don't particularly have very strong feelings about...he's good. He's shown flashes of being great. Whether he gets there (or on the field at all) depends entirely on himself.

    93. Joe Adams, WR/RS, Arkansas.

    If anyone checks, they'll see I cheated a bit, as he's 6 picks above this one...but since it's later in the draft, I'll go with this anyways. ;)
    Electric player. Jumps VERY well, catches well, runs quite well...and gets good separation. That's the key to succeeding in the NFL, and I do think this guy will. Not sure where, but I think he has a future. Also solves our RS problem.

    126. Christian Thompson, FS, South Carolina State

    I so badly wanted to take Janzen Jackson somewhere, but I just can't see the Patriots taking him with that armed robbery somewhere in his past. This guy has similar issues, and also has talent, but doesn't have an armed robbery charge, so I could see the Patriots gambling on him. Runs well, has issues with staying consistant and intensity. Fills a need for the short-term.
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    #31 Andre Branch DE Clemson
    #48 - Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
    #63 - Josh Chapman DT Alabama
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    Using CBS

    Trades first:

    *Trade #31 & #48 (1020 pts) to Houston for #26 & #58 (1020)
    *Trade #27 (680) to STL for #33 & # 97 (692)
    *Trade #58 (from Hou) & #63 (596) to Phi for #51 & #77 (595)
    *Trade #95 & # 127 (165) to Atl for #86 (160)
    *Trade # 97 (from STL, 112) to Buff for # 125, #137 & #168 (107.2)

    yes its alot of trades but its the only way I could figure out how to get most of my binkies. Mock = make believe. So we end up with picks 26, 31, 51, 77, 86, 125, 137 & 168

    #26: Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC.
    #33: Shea McClellin, DE/OLB, Boise St
    #51: Harrison Smith, S, ND
    #77: Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
    #86: Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
    #125: Marvin Jones, WR, California
    #137: Derek Wolfe, DE/DT, Cincy
    #168: Tom Compton, T/G, San Diego State
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    #15 DT Michael Brockers, LSU (27 + 48)
    Fill the void. Brockers with the right coaching can be a breakthru player.

    #31 DT Kendall Reyes, UConn
    With Brockers and Wilfork, Reyes solidifies the defensive front. Three space eaters in the running game who can collapse the pocket against the pass. Will make the secondary better.

    #56 S Harrison Smith, Notre Dame (63 + 92)
    Good fit with the Pats, in terms of need and culture.

    #126 OLB Shae McClellin
    I sh*t you not, McClellin is listed at #139 on PFW LOL
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    27 - Silatolu OT
    31 - S. Hill WR
    48 - Ta'amu DT
    63 - Wolfe DT/DE
    95 - Boykin CB
    126 - Martin S

    Since BB is totally unpredictable, it's probably a lock that none of these players are drafted by the Pats
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    BB should be put in an asylum
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