3rd and 4... 2:30 remaining...

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  1. cstjohn17

    cstjohn17 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Call this therapy but I still can't get this play out of my head... as bad as the team played, and it was bad, worst half of football in years, they could have won the game on this play.

    The 5 yard penalty made it difficult but on the 3rd and 4 and am still surprised we didn't run the ball on this play. Call it Marty Ball but we would have forced the Colts to use their final timeout or allow the clock to tick to the 2 minute warning before punting... a 2-3 yard gain on 3rd down would have setup the possibility of a 4th and short, faced with a 4th and 1 it would have been really tempting to go for it knowing a first down would seal the victory... 4 and 4 was too much of a gamble...

    Still bugs me..

    Time to move on, the team over achieved in my opinion. AFC final is a solid showing, time to start reading about the draft...

    New England - 3:22
    1st-10, NE40 3:22 NE committed 5 yard penalty
    1st-15, NE35 3:22 T. Brady passed to R. Caldwell to the right for 7 yard gain
    2nd-8, NE42 2:39 T. Brady passed to B. Watson to the left for 4 yard gain
    3rd-4, NE46 2:30 T. Brady incomplete pass to the right
    4th-4, NE46 2:17 T. Sauerbrun punt, touchback
  2. Oswlek

    Oswlek Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Based on health and production, about the only back that could have run with the ball was Heath Evans.

    If Faulk were healthy he would have made a big difference on that drive and on the final one. But I could say the same damn thing about a dozen other guys.

    When will the madness that is NE Patriot injuries cease?
  3. Brownfan80

    Brownfan80 In the Starting Line-Up

    That frickin' flu is as much to blame for the loss as are the Patriots mistakes and the Colts playing lights out in the second half.

    Half the guys that we normally depend on to make plays were nowhere to be seen, either out with cramps or other flu related type things. You'd want to say that the cramps could come from hydration or the heat, but I'd like to think that our guys know a thing or two about hydration. And weather conditions don't usually get the best of our guys, especially in a damn dome!

    Frickin' flu.
  4. Siddiqi

    Siddiqi Practice Squad Player

    Even if we run it and get no gain, it would have been a good play, we stopped the clock for no reason and helped the colts. The touchback also bothers me, this is where we really miss Josh Miller because he would have pinned the colts deep in their own territory instead of getting a touchback.
  5. Brownfan80

    Brownfan80 In the Starting Line-Up

    We'd run several draws and quick handoffs from that formation, so I'm not sure it took ALL the guesswork out of the defense, but yeah, that third and four play was horrid. Just... not what you'd want.
  6. PatsFaninAZ

    PatsFaninAZ In the Starting Line-Up

    I know this is going to sound like blatent hindsight and almost insane, but given the way the game was going, I thought you could make an argument we were in 4 down territory there.

    I honestly believed, and continue to believe, that trying to get those 4 yards in 2 downs was our best chance of winning. We weren't going to stop the colts on the last drive. We were absolutely gassed, and they would have had 4 downs to get 10 yards until they got in field goal range anyway.

    Even if you don't convert on 4th down, the short field just seemed like no big deal. If anything, they might have scored more quickly and given us the ball back. I had no doubt that if we didn't make that 1st down, that they would be right back in that spot within seconds.
  7. ATippett56

    ATippett56 Pro Bowl Player

    Heath Evans is worthless and I hope that clown will not be on the Patriots roster in 2007.
  8. PatsFaninAZ

    PatsFaninAZ In the Starting Line-Up

    I don't know how much a run would have done with the clock. I think it would have just made a difference of 10 or 15 seconds since the 2 minute warning was coming anyway.
  9. BlitzFritz

    BlitzFritz Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    I was thinking the same way abou this all day.
  10. Brownfan80

    Brownfan80 In the Starting Line-Up

    The offense came up short. But so did the defense. I doubt Pees or McDaniels or the players for each coordinator are very happy about their units performances in the second half.

    The team caved, it wasn't just the offense.

    At the end of the first half and start of the second half the defense was on the field for nearly 30 straight plays. That was their own fault for not getting off the field. The offense didn't help when they went three and out the first time they got the ball back, but the defense let them sit so long that their rythm was gone. The defense had as much to do with this loss as the offense, if not more. They gutted it out, but just came up short. It's a rough one.
  11. PatsFaninAZ

    PatsFaninAZ In the Starting Line-Up

    1) NEM -- you're one of my favorites.

    2) You're confusing me with the other AZ pats fan!

    Do you still agree with me?

  12. BoTown

    BoTown In the Starting Line-Up

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    I thought that illegal contact penalty on Troy Brown when Ben Watson got the first down was huge.
  13. PatsFaninAZ

    PatsFaninAZ In the Starting Line-Up

    The one other thing about this is that if we had made it on 4th down, the game would have been over. It would have been the 2 minute warning, and they would have been out of time outs. If we had made it on 3d down, they still could have gotten the ball back with 15 to 30 seconds left.

    Actually what I was thinking during the game was to run on 3d down and, if we had a fake punt, do that on 4th.

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