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  1. jeffbiologist

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    With the mad scramble that is FA we have signed alot of vet DL. Now most have come from a 43 system and the cutting of Ty Warren makes me think that a singular precious(expensive)NT may be a luxury not needed if we are revamping our DL. BB often seems to focus on 1 set of players each season for a major overhaul. DBs/WRs/RBs, etc. With all the additions at DL, returning only 1 "starter", and despite Vince's skill level maybe he is being evaluated against his contract. This may not be a popular thread cuz everyone wants to think about both Vince and Al stuffing the run, but didnt we think the same way about Lawyer Milloy when Rodney was signed? Yes Vince sure can play DT but then is he worth his contract at that position? Maybe they are angling for him to restructure?? Opinions?
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    So "Baby Sapp" can't play in a 4-3 now? :bricks:
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    I'll believe it when I see it.

    I don't think anyone other than Brady is untouchable for BB, but it seems unlikely...unless there were multiple picks being offered and even then it shouldn't happen until next season.
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    Lawyer and Rodney were both Strong Safeties at the time. That is a bad example and proof that the fans were naive in thinking we were going to play with both of them in the back field.

    Losing the last of the Big 3 would be a shocker and yes, extremely dissapointing, but it wouldn't be the first time BB has done something of that nature like you mentioned. Don't even want to think about it.
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    Or Bill could just be throwing a handful of noodles at a wall to see what sticks?

    Milloy was no longer performing to the level BB wanted from his Safety, Harrison made his release something we could do. Wilfork continues to dominate and do everything BB wants and more. What you are seeing is the Pats FO building around Wilfork, not finding ways to get rid of 'em. Not a single guy on the DL could do what Vince does for this D, not a single one.

    This thread won't be popular because what you are saying is ridiculous, not because you're bringing up a subject that's hard to swallow.
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    Big Vince has shown himself to be a true leader on this team. His play was at its peak last year and there is no reason to expect it to decline. He is worth his money. IMHO he is a top 5 DT this year. Coupled with his leadership-you do not penny pinch.
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    Vince is still involved heavily of the future of this team. He is signed to what amounts to a very reasonable contract even now in 2011, let alone 4 more yrs down the road.

    The cost efficiency, talent level, consistency, and versatility clearly outweigh any potential loss of said player.

    On top of that, I'd hardly think that a restructuring would come into play so soon into a very reasonable deal. VW gives us the ability to run both a 3-4 and 4-3, can line up at multiple positions, and is an established team leader.

    None of these signings have anything at all to do with VW...
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    This team is better with Big Vince. That statement will be true for some time. Big Vince is so versatile and skilled, that he is a fit for every defensive front the Patriots run.

    Remember last year, when he lined up at end? The Patriots were constantly shifting Vince around to cover their DLine injuries with smoke and mirrors. If that doesn't speak volumes about how good he is, you can continue to believe he's not as necessary in a 4-3.

    That's like saying you only want one guy who will win almost every one on one. With 4 lineman and 2 stud DTs, something's gotta give. The DTs will either get 1-on-1 matchups or you have 4 blockers for 2 lineman :)rocker:) and 1 OL for the other 2 DEs.
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    jeffbiologist - making practice squad-calibre posts since 2007
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    LOL. We should cut Vince Wilfork is what you're driving at? This is even more ridiculous than the trade Welker thread.
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    This would make more sense if there weren't multiple spots on the D-Line that Vince and Haynesworth could play. The reason Lawyer Milloy got cut is because Rodney was going to play SS and Milloy really wasn't suited for any other role.
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    THIS...pretty much wraps up the thread right here.
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    We're actually trading Big Vince for Liono from the Thundercats and a bag of weed.
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    I think what OP fails to understand is that the presence of Vince Wilfork makes the AH acquisition possible. AH HATES playing NT. He doesn't want to be the guy in the middle controlling two gaps. Having Wilfork there allows AH to do what he wants to do best, be aggressive, attack, secure in having the big monster next to him controlling the OL and freeing him up to attack. If VW were to leave this team it would all snowball and you'd see AH back in his sulky shell because he'd be forced to play a role that he either doesn't want or is not suited to play. Then you'd have no dominant Dlinemen available and a lot of headaches.
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    Epic fail.

    Up there with the trade Welker thread and the old "Keep Cassell, trade Brady" thread from 2008

    Dumpster material, and let's hope trash day comes soon, because the smell is so bad.
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    It's replies like this one here that goes beyond a simple 'like' I need a mega, exploding w/ fireworks all over the place option. Make it happen Ian!
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    These months away from football has really messed people up with their logical thinking.

    I can't wait for the "Let's trade Brady and steal Sanchez" thread. ...:rolleyes:
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    I thought we already had the satire posting.
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    LOL :cool:







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    Yes, but can he rush the passer??
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    Are you intentionally starting a laughable thread or what?
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    all the trades and signing came because the DL has sucked the last 2 years so if you trade or cut your best DL men your not even back to square one, every player the pats signed or traded for have played in both a 4-3 and 3-4 one gap and two gap i dont see BB being locked in on 4-3 or 3-4 this year he will mix it up game to game play by play what ever defens works best thats the one he will go with and Wilfork will be the centerpiece in whatever BB runs
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    Let me be the usual buzz killer .We are going to be playing the defense as last year ...just different personal.

    We have a stouter 3-4 line with ellis , vince and warren[gerrad] with some rotation guys.We needed a left end and ellis is that. Improved but the base is same.

    3rd down and passing downs - we played single gap downhill downs , we were horrible. we could not stop sanchez from finishing his hotdog before chucking the ball. We have 22 DL now. out of this we are looking for the single gap guys to go get the QB. You want albert to give you a good 20-25 impact downs out of 65 [history says he gives you 40 but he is older and 2 yrs out of the game].carter/anderson - 1 will be kept as they are similar.

    Big vince played alot last year and i will scale it down a bit to usual 40 snaps a game.then use the 4 down package go get the qb.

    One day people will wakeup and realize that we do not have a top 20 pass rushing DE in thie team.
    we have the top 2 NT ...so we play to our strength .Not go 4-3 and hope your OLB size guys can headbutt with tackles every down. they will be chewed up by tackles. Your 3-4 OLB are shadded and protected by your 3-4 ends. 4-3 your DE go head first at tackles every down.You do not have a freeney type smaller DE who are extremely fast. so you have your slower and smaller OLB get smacked by tackles with no 3-4 ends to protect them.
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    Was cutting Milloy "ridiculous"? How about trading Seymour? There are difficult decisions made by management every year and to think what I said is "ridiculous" simply isnt realistic. I'm sure every player is being evaluated, some more than others. I know as well as anyone that Vince is versitile, that was never in question. With all the movement along the line a thread like this is a natural progression. Geez
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    *sigh* I honestly feel sorry for you jeff. You clearly are starving for attention and feel that the only way to get it is to make stupid posts that aren't well thought out.
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    The fact that you are so stupid to try comparing Wilfork's situation to Milloy or Seymour shows how desperate you are.

    Milloy had a significant drop in production the year before he was cut. And Milloy's was the only contract (other than Law's) that hadn't already been restructured and could be cut to free up enough cap space.

    Seymour's was in the last year of his contract.

    What you said IS ridiculous and it's not close to being realistic. You talking in half-truths and grasping as straws.

    A thread like this is NOT natural progression especially with the lame attempts at comparisons that are not thought through.
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    Trading Seymour had nothing to do with his play...but more to do with salary , salary cap,and which position BB considered more important....Only could afford one...Vince's NT position won out...end of discussion.....

    The Ted Washingtons and Vince Wilforks don't come around very often.....

    just sayin :D
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    Sorry, Fumbrunner, but I think that you just insulted the Practice Squad... ;)


    With that, could we get this thread moved or locked????
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