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    Fun little article from a guy I like to read.

    Before you rip it, the disclaimer :

    "We are at 10 days and counting until the 2012 NFL Draft. That means it is the peak of mock draft season, but a mock draft can only tell so many stories. Here are 32 bold, fearless, crazy, insomnia-fueled predictions for the upcoming draft. Some do have actual basis in reality from exchanges I've had with various NFL personnel and a couple of agents. Some are fairly educated guesses where I'm reading between some lines I've read or heard. Some are the product of sleep deprivation and an overwhelming volume of draft stuff in my brain. This is meant to be as much about fun as it is informative; I'll be pleasantly surprised if more than three of these actually happen."

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    Here's a Patriots related one :

    "22. Last year Detroit stunned everyone by using their 1st round pick on Nick Fairly, a player at their position of least perceived need. This year the team that pulls that stunt will be the Patriots. Last year New England drafted two running backs, Shane Vereen in the 2nd and Stevan Ridley in the 3rd. They still have Danny Woodhead. They have two solid fullbacks in Tony Fiametta and Spencer Larsen. That will not stop them from using a 1st round pick on Boise State RB Doug Martin. It also won't stop them from using a late-round pick on yet another hybrid fullback/H-back/tight end. When you have more draft picks than job openings every year, stuff like this happens..."
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    #24 Jersey

    I can actually see that Doug Martin pick happening - he's perfect for what the Patriots want from a RB. I suspect this board will blow up, should he be the pick however.
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    No position except QB would stun me. Until/unless we trade picks for the future even if we "waste" the first pick on a non need position we still have another #1 and two #2s to fill needs. If we don't trade out then that leaves the opportunity to take the best available player/fit if we think he would be a stud for us at any position. If it's RB then so be it.
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    Almost right. Very good prediction.
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    If that is the case, there is no hope for the New England Patriots defense.
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    FWIW, if he is the pick, Ryan Lownes, a draft pundit I respect has said he'll have a similar impact to LeSean McCoy, ray rice, Matt forte and MJD. If we get that to go with Tom Brady, who needs a defense?
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    There would still be a 1,2,2,3,4 available for defense.
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    Since when has the New England Patriots become a running back centric offense? The New England Patriots do not employ a "pound and ground" offensive philosophy unlike the New York Jets.

    The New England Patriots will be able to obtain greater value with Cyrus Gray, RB from Texas A&M in the third or fourth round of the 2012 NFL Draft. Cyrus Gray is a fantastic team player and as a bonus doubles as a kick returner. Besides, the New England Patriots just expended a second draft pick and a third round draft pick in the 2011 NFL Draft on running backs.

    Personally, I would rather draft Kevin Zeitler, OG from Wisconsin, with the #31 overall pick, in lieu of a running back, since Zeitler would be the long term replacement to Brian Waters at right guard.
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    #24 Jersey

    That's a totally different argument.

    I replied to you saying :

    However there are still plenty of picks left for defense with #27 used elsewhere.

    If you want to argue we don't value the run enough to have Martin, Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead, go at it. But as it stands you're mixing arguments. My point was that if (emphasis on IF) they think Martin would be a stud for us then go at it and take him, that's the benefit of extra picks. You can fill needs and take a luxury pick.
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    One thing that I thought after last years draft where they took two big OL's and 2 RB's was that they were preparing for Brady's later years by aiming towards a more Running orientated offense to take the pressure of Brady. Obviously that didn't happen last year but their pre-draft interest in Martin and their signing of two fullbacks doesn't entirely dissuade me that this is part of the future plan.

    Add in, something I read somewhere, that the ground and pound might become the new offensive strategy du jour because defenses are being built to stop the spread offense and are therefore smaller and faster with less in the box help and BB might just be, once again, ahead of the game. Of course, we probably won't draft Martin and this discussion becomes moot.
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    How do you that Martin would be a stud and not Cyrus Gray, who by the way does it all: rushing, receiving, pass blocking, kick returning?
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    I actually like Gray but he wasn't even the go to guy on his own offense was he?
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    I never said anyone would or wouldn't. That is all the team's judgement. I don't watch Boise St., I really don't know. That's why I said IF. IF. Got it ? IF.

    If they think Martin is a stud and whoever else, you like Gray, fine, wouldn't be then it's a nice luxury pick to take him.

    You can make the same argument on defense, why take a pass rusher or a safety early if there's a good one later.
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    You're going to wait to draft a pass rusher in the third round with the #93 overall pick?
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    Not sure why I am bothering at this point.

    I am NOT saying I want Martin. However if we take him as a luxury pick we still have a #1 and two #2 with which we can take defense before the 33. Take your pick of late #1, mid #2 and late #2 DL, LB, S, there's still plenty of picks for defense.
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    Cyrus Gray, Texas A&M, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

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    It's just that whenever I saw TAMU, Christine Michael seemed to get the bulk of the carries. But checking the stats, Gray was the guy. Not a problem for me, I think Gray is really good but having just watched some Doug Martin film, I'm not going to lose any sleep if he's the pick because he's fantastic.
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    I'm saying you get better VALUE in the third round with a multi-faceted running back in Cyrus Gray in a running back by committee approach.
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    Which running back was the better receiver? Which running back was the better pass blocker? Which running back had more touchdowns?
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    I know what you're saying, it's fairly obvious. I'm not arguing it, I'm not arguing for or against Gray nor Martin.

    All I have been saying is we have the draft choices to take a luxury pick and any non QB position and still have the picks left to get the defense we need.

    Is Martin THAT much better than Gray ? I don't know. But if Martin ends up being the next LeShon McCoy then it's a shot I'm willing to take. How we would use all the RB and whether it's excess is a separate debate.
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    How about a hypothetical draft scenario with the #27 overall pick:

    Dont'a Hightower or Doug Martin?
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    Not sure if Hightower is who I'm looking for but I'm generally looking at defense. I would look for a cheap veteran RB to go with what we have.

    Right now my picks are :

    1a) McClellin
    1b) Chandler Jones
    2a) Harrison Smith
    2b) Bobby Wagner
    3) Derek Wolfe
    4) Ron Brooks

    Ooops, that's all defense.

    However if Bill and Nick think Martin or Reuben Randle or whoever would be a stud for us then by all means I am up for it.
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    After reading his bio, I don't want Doug Martin:

    Doug Martin, Boise State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

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    That woud be an abomination, and grounds for dismissal, if not a class-action lawsuit.
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    Ask the New Orleans Saints what value Mark Ingram provided last year as a first round draft pick? Doug Martin is no Trent Richardson, and Doug Martin did not play in the SEC.
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    Don't see the relevance. They're two different players and two different teams. Do we not draft a pass rusher because Robert Quinn only had five sacks? Or a DE because Cam Jordan only had 30 tackles and one sack?

    As for not playing in the SEC, why does that matter? Ray Rice played at Rutgers and LeSean McCoy at Pittsburgh. And no, he's no TR, but that's why he'll possibly be available at 27 whereas TR will be gone at four most likely. That doesn't mean Martin can't produce like TR:

    Doug Martin, Second-Ranked Running Back in 2012 Draft - NYTimes.com
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    Let's all hope so.
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