31 August Final 53*

[mgteich]

In any case, we don't need four ILB's. We are discussing the last roster spot. Some of us would give the roster spot to Alexander. mayo chooses Ninkovich.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Ninkovich (and would people stop writing it as "Ninkovitch?") is NOT a ILB. He should fall under your OLB/DE category and NO other.

 

[Deus Irae]

So, from what most people seem to be thinking, Yates and Britt will be Chiefs unless O'Callaghan becomes a 'surprise' cut and heads to Kansas City?

 

[pats1]

In any case, we don't need four ILB's. We are discussing the last roster spot. Some of us would give the roster spot to Alexander. mayo chooses Ninkovich.

I don't see the fascination with Ninkovich so many have. He would not play on defense unless Burgess or Banta-Cain got hurt. And what has he done on special teams during the preseason?

Alexander or even Ciurciu would be a much more logical choice. In fact, Ninkovich is among the first guys I have cut from this squad, in with Love and Ortiz. I think the comparisons he drew to Vrabel early on and the inexplicable clinging to 3-4 projections - which would place Ninkovich among a thin OLB group - have clouded judgments on him. He's an easy cut.

And I'm not even going to get into Andy Hart's obsession with Ninkovich as a backup LS; him and Perillo seemed to tout that finding as something they dug up in an interview with Ninkovich, while that was his main role this spring with the Saints. Even Rotoworld, when Ninkovich was first signed, called Ninkovich a LS and said that he "would probably compete with Ingram and Hodel." Obviously, they were wrong right off the bat there.

 

[mayoclinic]

In any case, we don't need four ILB's. We are discussing the last roster spot. Some of us would give the roster spot to Alexander. mayo chooses Ninkovich.

Pats1, my bad grouping Ninkovich with the ILBs. And thanks for the spelling correction.

Not really much of an inspired choice either way. I'm personally allergic to Alexander, but I understand the arguments for giving him the last spot. I personally hope that the last LB spot will go to someone currently not on the roster - not sure who, but someone.

 

[mayoclinic]

I don't see the fascination with Ninkovich so many have. He would not play on defense unless Burgess or Banta-Cain got hurt. And what has he done on special teams during the preseason?

Alexander or even Ciurciu would be a much more logical choice. In fact, Ninkovich is among the first guys I have cut from this squad, in with Love and Ortiz. I think the comparisons he drew to Vrabel early on and the inexplicable clinging to 3-4 projections - which would place Ninkovich among a thin OLB group - have clouded judgments on him. He's an easy cut.

I'm not fascinated at all with Ninkovich. I can understand Ciurciu, and would be happy to substitute him. Personally, I'd rather have anyone rather than Alexander, but that's just me.

 

[pats1]

I'm not fascinated at all with Ninkovich. I can understand Ciurciu, and would be happy to substitute him. Personally, I'd rather have anyone rather than Alexander, but that's just me.

Alexander is better than either of them on special teams, and quite frankly that's all that matters from a 6th LB in a 4-3. As Reiss has pointed out after each game, Alexander is a core member of the ST units.

 

[jmt57]

My (latest) roster guess

Maybe this thread could designate as the Final 53 Prediction Thread. That way all attempts could be localized.

Hell, if someone wants to track and tally for the closest "winner" I will send the "winner" a 6 pack of Gritty McDuffs Halloween Ale. In the event of multiple winners....I will give myself a 6 pack and drink to you all.

21 and older only, of course.

Well in that case, I'll play along:


Offense: 25
QB (3): Brady, Walter, Hoyer
RB (4): Maroney, F Taylor, Morris, Faulk; (Cuts: BJGE, C Taylor)
WR (6): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Aiken, Edelman; (Cuts: Ventrone, Nunn, Ortiz)
TE (3): Baker, Thomas, Watson; (Cuts: Smith)
OT (4): Light, Kaczur, Vollmer, O'Callaghan; (Cuts: Britt, Bussey)
G/C (5): Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Wendell, Ohrnberger; (Cuts: Yates, Connolly)

Defense: 25
DL (7): Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Wright, Brace, Pryor; (Cuts: Adams, Richard, Williams)
DE/OLB (6): Mayo, Thomas, Burgess, Woods, TBC, Alexander; (Cuts: Ninkovich; Crable to IR)
ILB (3): Mayo, Guyton, Lenon; (Cuts: Ciurciu)
CB (5): Bodden, Springs, Butler, Wilhite, Wheatley; (Cuts: Love, Rogers)
S (4): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan; (Cuts: Slater, H Jones)

Special Teams: (3) - Gostkowski, Hanson, Ingram


There's a few spots I'm not very confident in my guesses, such as RB (Morris/BJGE), OL (Wendell/Connolly), or the idea of not including Crable, for example. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if another player or two was added to the roster which could throw this list off also. Regardless, there's my entry for some Gritty McDuff's.

 

[mayoclinic]

Re: My (latest) roster guess

Well in that case, I'll play along:


Offense: 25
QB (3): Brady, Walter, Hoyer
RB (4): Maroney, F Taylor, Morris, Faulk; (Cuts: BJGE, C Taylor)
WR (6): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Aiken, Edelman; (Cuts: Ventrone, Nunn, Ortiz)
TE (3): Baker, Thomas, Watson; (Cuts: Smith)
OT (4): Light, Kaczur, Vollmer, O'Callaghan; (Cuts: Britt, Bussey)
G/C (5): Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Wendell, Ohrnberger; (Cuts: Yates, Connolly)

Defense: 25
DL (7): Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Wright, Brace, Pryor; (Cuts: Adams, Richard, Williams)
DE/OLB (6): Mayo, Thomas, Burgess, Woods, TBC, Alexander; (Cuts: Ninkovich; Crable to IR)
ILB (3): Mayo, Guyton, Lenon; (Cuts: Ciurciu)
CB (5): Bodden, Springs, Butler, Wilhite, Wheatley; (Cuts: Love, Rogers)
S (4): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan; (Cuts: Slater, H Jones)

Special Teams: (3) - Gostkowski, Hanson, Ingram


There's a few spots I'm not very confident in my guesses, such as RB (Morris/BJGE), OL (Wendell/Connolly), or the idea of not including Crable, for example. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if another player or two was added to the roster which could throw this list off also. Regardless, there's my entry for some Gritty McDuff's.

Fine list. I like it. Note that you count Mayo twice (once as a DE/OLB which he is not, once as an ILB). I would substitute Crable for the time you list Mayo as a DE/OLB, as I don't think he goes on IR. With that modification, I think your list is as good as any.

I'm anti-Alexander, but I seem to be in the minority. I'm hoping we pick someone up who will take that spot. A lot of people will push for Slater, but I personally prefer keeping 9 OLs, and think that Slater's ST contribution can be covered by someone else. There will undoubtedly be some surprises and some shifting at the back end, but this is a pretty solid list.

 

[jmt57]

Re: My (latest) roster guess

Fine list. I like it. Note that you count Mayo twice (once as a DE/OLB which he is not, once as an ILB). I would substitute Crable for the time you list Mayo as a DE/OLB, as I don't think he goes on IR. With that modification, I think your list is as good as any.

I'm anti-Alexander, but I seem to be in the minority. I'm hoping we pick someone up who will take that spot. A lot of people will push for Slater, but I personally prefer keeping 9 OLs, and think that Slater's ST contribution can be covered by someone else. There will undoubtedly be some surprises and some shifting at the back end, but this is a pretty solid list.

Oops, thanks for the catch. I had all the LB's together first, and then I split then up. Yeah, with one more roster spot I would add Crable, although it could also possibly go to a special team ace.

As for the nine OL, I keep having visions of offensive linemen limping off the field in so many NFL (not just Pats) games that I prefer the idea of more OL on the roster.

I'm not crazy about Alexander either but as long as he's just a bakup he's adequate. He can play special teams and if somebody is out he can fill in outside and inside as well. Look at it this way: if somebody is injured mid-game and you need a replacement off the bench, would you rather see Alexander on the field, or Ninkovich or Ciurciu? Me, I'll roll the dice with Alexander.

 

[mgteich]

We seem to be in agreement unless we send someone else to IR (Crable and/or Ohrnberger) or if we pick up a new player.

I believe that we have the best 53 of what we have.

 

[mgteich]

Re: My (latest) roster guess

The roster below is fixed by adding Crable instead of the duplicate Mayo. This is seems right unless Morris, Crable or Ohrnberger is put on the IR (hopefully unlikely). As you say, Belichick could also add a player or two from other rosters before Game 1 or before Game 2 (to avoid paying a full year's salary to vet signed before Game 1).

Well in that case, I'll play along:

Offense: 25
QB (3): Brady, Walter, Hoyer
RB (4): Maroney, F Taylor, Morris, Faulk; (Cuts: BJGE, C Taylor)
WR (6): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Aiken, Edelman; (Cuts: Ventrone, Nunn, Ortiz)
TE (3): Baker, Thomas, Watson; (Cuts: Smith)
OT (4): Light, Kaczur, Vollmer, O'Callaghan; (Cuts: Britt, Bussey)
G/C (5): Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Wendell, Ohrnberger; (Cuts: Yates, Connolly)

Defense: 25
DL (7): Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Wright, Brace, Pryor; (Cuts: Adams, Richard, Williams)
DE/OLB (6): Thomas, Burgess, Woods, TBC, Alexander, Crable; (Cuts: Ninkovich)
ILB (3): Mayo, Guyton, Lenon; (Cuts: Ciurciu)
CB (5): Bodden, Springs, Butler, Wilhite, Wheatley; (Cuts: Love, Rogers)
S (4): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan; (Cuts: Slater, H Jones)

Special Teams: (3) - Gostkowski, Hanson, Ingram


There's a few spots I'm not very confident in my guesses, such as RB (Morris/BJGE) and OL (Wendell/Connolly). And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if another player or two was added to the roster which could throw this list off also. Regardless, there's my entry for some Gritty McDuff's.

 

[ALP]

Let's put it by position for better scrutiny:

Offense: 24
QB (3) - Brady, Walter, Hoyer
RB (4) - Maroney, F. Taylor, Morris, Faulk -- CUTS: Green-Ellis, C. Taylor
WR (6) - Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Aiken, Edelman -- CUTS: Ventrone, Nunn, Ortiz
TE (3) - Baker, D. Thomas, Watson -- CUTS: A. Smith
OT (5) - Light, Kaczur, Vollmer, O'Callaghan, Britt -- CUTS: Bussey
OG/C (3) - Mankins, Koppen, Neal -- CUTS: Yates, Wendell, Connolly, Ohrnberger

Defense: 24
DL (10) - Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Burgess, Green, Wright, Brace, Banta-Cain, Pryor, Richard -- CUTS: Ninkovich, Adams, S. Williams
LB (6) - Mayo, A. Thomas, Guyton, Woods, Crable, Lenon -- CUTS: Alexander, Ciurciu
CB (4) - Bodden, Springs, Wilhite, Butler -- CUTS: Wheatley, Love, Rogers
S (4) - Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan -- CUTS: Slater, H. Jones

Special Teams: 3
ST (3) - Gostkowski, Hanson, Ingram

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^^^the above roster has 51 players, ill add Green-Ellis, and Wheatley to increase it to 53, both players whom i see as locks...

on to revisions....
QB:brady, hoyer, walter
RB as i said already, we carry all 5 (no chris, hopefully PS)
WR, six is good (nunn, ortiz to PS if they pass waivers)
TE, i agree, all but alex (a trade may happen with one...but prob not)
OT, only light, kazcur, ocallighan and vollmer, so take out britt -1
OG/C....mankins, koppen, neal, ohrenberger (can ingram play center?) +1

DL: seymour, wilfork, warren, brace, wright, green, burgress, banta-cain, pryor....no richard (if it werent for a recent extension, i would have wright as getting cut) (ninkovich PS) -1
LB: mayo, thomas, guyton, woods, crable, lenon, alexander
yea we all wanna see alexander go, but we cant replace him yet +1
CB: butler, springs, bodden, wilhite, wheatley
S: meriweather, chung, sanders, mcGowan

ST: ghost, ingram, hanson

the biggest fault i c with this roster is the depth at interior OL......and BB wont leave it like that.....i would guess he would get rid of either a LB or DL (maybe RB) to open up a spot for another backup OG/C (unless as mentioned b4, ingram can play C)

 

[BradyFTW!]

Let's put it by position for better scrutiny:

Offense: 24
QB (3) - Brady, Walter, Hoyer
RB (4) - Maroney, F. Taylor, Morris, Faulk -- CUTS: Green-Ellis, C. Taylor
WR (6) - Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Aiken, Edelman -- CUTS: Ventrone, Nunn, Ortiz
TE (3) - Baker, D. Thomas, Watson -- CUTS: A. Smith
OT (5) - Light, Kaczur, Vollmer, O'Callaghan, Britt -- CUTS: Bussey
OG/C (3) - Mankins, Koppen, Neal -- CUTS: Yates, Wendell, Connolly, Ohrnberger

Defense: 24
DL (10) - Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Burgess, Green, Wright, Brace, Banta-Cain, Pryor, Richard -- CUTS: Ninkovich, Adams, S. Williams
LB (6) - Mayo, A. Thomas, Guyton, Woods, Crable, Lenon -- CUTS: Alexander, Ciurciu
CB (4) - Bodden, Springs, Wilhite, Butler -- CUTS: Wheatley, Love, Rogers
S (4) - Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan -- CUTS: Slater, H. Jones

Special Teams: 3
ST (3) - Gostkowski, Hanson, Ingram

Guys that you have making it that I don't see happening:
Richard
Britt
Aiken
O'Callaghan
Crable (sucks- I was really amped about the guy, but you just can't be injured for your entire rookie year and your second preseason and expect to make the team...)

Guys that you have getting cut that I see making it:
Slater
Wheatley
Alexander
Wendell
Ohrnberger

The one cut that I'm actually hoping for is Shawn Springs, just because it would mean that our other guys--Bodden, Butler, Wilhite--are progressing well enough to make him expendable. That would rock, and potentially open up a spot for Crable.

I also think that Jarvis Green is getting cut every year, but by now I understand that that's probably just not going to happen.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Um, I think you mean 51. Unless you invented a new number system that uses 46 and 47 twice.

Sorry. I told you I was "turning in" right after I posted this. I guess I only need a couple more.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Thanks for the re-format.

OFFENSE
I'M OK with 23 of the 24. Perhaps we'll keep Hoyer, perhaps not. But this choice is fine.
What I am not fine with is the idea of Britt and O'Callaghan being our backups at center and guard. Your OG/C listing is short by TWO players. You need to lose Britt and include the guards.

DEFENSE
I'm OK with 23 of the 24. Keeping Richard instead of Wheatley is demented.
You have one more roster spot available for a special teamer: Slater, Ventrone or Alexander
The open question is whether Crable makes the team, but yes seem OK for now. If not, Alexander or Ninkovitch gets his linebacker spot.

BOTTOM LINE
Our roster are so similar that I agree with 49 of the players on this crazy roster.

Good reasoned response. I like what you had to say. I went back and forth with several players. With the light of day, I think I would have to grab at least one more interior lineman, in lieu of an OT. I went heavy on the DL, as I was thinking bodies for the 4-3, but I didn't realize I had 10 of them. Richard would be the odd man out there. I realize Wheatly and Slater could both make the team.

I left a couple of spots for folks to plug in who they wanted (I thought I left four spots - sorry for the bad numbering). Who might I plug in for the final spots. Guys like Slater and Wheatly for sure are possibilities. Who did I have on the team that I'm not sure about - Crable? I just think we are so light at backer, that I'm making an educated guess. Trading up to land Ohrnberger in the draft could help his cause of making the team.

 

[pencilneckgeek]

I posted this same roster elsewhere yesterday with a few either/or choices thrown in, but I want to get in on the fun here, so I made some final somewhat arbitrary decisions.

Offense (24)

QBs (2) - Brady, Walter
RBs (5) - Maroney, Morris, Taylor, Faulk, BJGE
WRs (6) - Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Edelman, Aiken
TEs (3) - Baker, Watson, Thomas
OL (8) - Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Wendell, Vollmer, Ohrenberger

Defense (26)

DL (8) - Seymour, Wilfork, Brace, Warren, Burgess, Green, Wright, Pryor
OLB (4) - Thomas, Woods, TBC, Crable
ILB (4) Mayo, Guyton, Lenon, Alexander
CB (5) - Bodden, Wilhite, Springs, Butler, Wheatley,
S (5) - Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan, Slater

Specialists (3) - Gostkowski, Hanson, Ingram

I made a guess that Crable is healthy enough to miss IR (putting Ninkovich on the outside of my roster) and that BB has confidence in the durability of his OTs for 6 weeks and that BJGE has impressed enough to stick around. I wouldn't be terribly suprised of O'Callaghan got the last spot in his stead, but it appears that BJGE's performance against the scrubs has finally won me over.

 

[pats1]

Re: My (latest) roster guess

I'm not crazy about Alexander either but as long as he's just a bakup he's adequate. He can play special teams and if somebody is out he can fill in outside and inside as well. Look at it this way: if somebody is injured mid-game and you need a replacement off the bench, would you rather see Alexander on the field, or Ninkovich or Ciurciu? Me, I'll roll the dice with Alexander.

If one of the starting LBs (Mayo, Thomas, Guyton) is injured mid-game, then Woods takes the spot (with Guyton sliding inside if it's Mayo). Alexander is only your fifth choice, assuming Lenon is out of the equation. Ciurciu would be the sixth. Ninkovich is not among these players, he plays an entirely different position.

 

[pats1]

I made a guess that Crable is healthy enough to miss IR (putting Ninkovich on the outside of my roster) and that BB has confidence in the durability of his OTs for 6 weeks and that BJGE has impressed enough to stick around. I wouldn't be terribly suprised of O'Callaghan got the last spot in his stead, but it appears that BJGE's performance against the scrubs has finally won me over.

Ninkovich and Crable could both be off this roster. They play two different positions.

 

[tatepatsfan]

I think all three of Wheatley, Bussey, and Green-Ellis make this roster.

 

[pats1]

I think all three of Wheatley, Bussey, and Green-Ellis make this roster.

Has Bussey played a down in the preseason?