Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by scout, Jun 5, 2007.
Have a great time, Scooter.
just a slap on the wrist for taking the bullet for cheney/ bush / rove
Too much considering he wasn't convicted of an underlying crime . . . in fact Billy Boy also lied under oath but I don't recall him going to jail.
He lied, he deserves it, no pardon either, since 30 months is fair I think. People cannot lie under oath. Period.
Do you think he will share the same cell with Randy Cunningham, Bob Ney, and Jack Abramoff?
I was wondering how long it would take to bring Clinton's name up. Isn't there just a little bit of difference in obstructing justice in the investigation of revealing a CIA agent that was by most accounts a vindication (she's fair game) versus an investigation of Whitewater which was a political fishing expedition which revealed nothing, but was able to uncover an affair that had nothing to do with the original investigation. Not defending Clinton, just putting some perspective in place. Scooter was a fall guy who lied because..........he couldn't remember the truth? He deserves jail. Do you think Clinton deserved jail time for lying about a blowjob?
Libby was convicted of giving differing accounts of his conversations with journalist to the grand jury. He was not convicted of revealing Plame's CIA status. Armitage was the one who revealed Plame's status to Novak (the original reason for Fitz's investigation supposedly). Armitage of course wasn't charged with anything.
Most interesting Fitz knew who gave Plame's name to Novak before Libby was ever called to testify to the Grand Jury.
Awwwww, come on now RW. You don't really mean EVER, do you. After all, as long as it's about a blowjob, it's fine. See, even SCOUT thinks so
I believe the term I'm looking for is Moral Relativism. All lying under oath is not created equal............ right????????
Lying under oath is lying under oath. I wasn't trying to deflect the discussion, but Clinton did do that. But I guess that's OK.
Well, Billy never went to jail so I guess they can.
Jail isn't the only punishment. Clinton paid a fine, was impeached by the house, and forfeited his law license. For a lie involving personal infidelity.
The difference being that what Billy Boy lied about under oath was not a crime... the only "crime" was just the lying itself.
Okay, so what was the CRIME that Libby lied about. Don't make one up, name the statute.
Don't take this as justification for what Libby did either. I don't condone what he did and think he needs to be punished. I just hate Moral Relevance (i.e. It's okay to lie under oath in this circumstance, but not that one.), or vice versa. The absurdity of that should be self-evident.
Whether there was a conviction for a crime or not (there wasn't) he still lied about facts in a criminal investigation. No way to raise doubt on that, the matter was criminal.
Maybe, but my (frozen) money is on William Jefferson. You know, it's all about diversity these days.
It's lying under oath, period. You can't lie under oath about the weather.
Politics seems to have its own set of rules outside the law. Libby is a victim of political persecution, just as Clinton was. He deserved a slap on the wrist, but not a prison sentence.
You'll get no argument from me about how fair the world is, as it's not. The bottom line is, there was no way they were going to put a sitting president in jail for the crime committed. That's just reality. The one that upsets me is Sandy Burglar.
Oh yeah, I forgot......... It's okay to lie in Civil Proceedings. You know, cuz those guys aren't even like real lawyers and judges or anything.
But hey, I'll play the game. By the time Libby lied, Fitzy already knew the source and circumstances of Plames name be brought forth. Following that logic, he already KNEW a crime had NOT been committed. The Criminal part of the investigations was over then. RIGHT? Therefore Libby didn't lie DURING a criminal investigation.
Sounds stupid, huh. That the way most relativism works. It has no end.
Actually, I think Patters is just about dead on in this one. This "gothca" politics is killing us. ON BOTH SIDES.
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