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    Time to revisit Brockers, especially since New England is one of the teams he is visiting in the weeks to come. We know he has the length and the weight to strive as a 3-4 DE.

    On his pro day, he got his time down into the 5.1 range.

    At the combine he only did 19 reps.

    His film from last season, especially in the BCS championship game, is amazing.

    I think there is good reason to believe he is slipping on some draft board.

    No doubt in my mind, that he needs a red shirt year in our defense, but at the same time after the red shirt year, if he develops under the watchful eye of Pepper, he could be the next Seymour in our defense.

    Is he worth trading up to go get? How much do we trade?

    In my mind if we can trade #31 and #48 to move up to #15, to take him,that would still leave us #27 for ILB/OLB Hightower, #63 for FS Martin, the third rounder for OT Potter and the fourth rounder for OLB Bequette, maybe.
     
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    Not a bad thought OJ, IF he falls to the Pats at one of their first round picks. He MIGHT be worth the risk if he falls to us, but you'd never risk trading UP for a guy who is just as likely to end up being Jonathan Sullivan as Richard Seymour. This is especially true for a guy who you admit yourself could use a red shirt year. If you are trading up in the first round, you want a starter.
     
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    I thought he didn't bench at combine?
     
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    Has a very high ceiling, and exactly the frame that BB would want at 3-4 DE. The question will be whether he has the work ethic to reach his potential. If he doesn't have the heart for the work, and isn't coachable, he'll be a huge disappointment to some team that could have had Fletcher Cox or Devin Still instead.

    If he's got the mind for it, trading into the low teens would be great value for a player that would eventually replace Wilfork as the star of the DL. Anything less than that, we may as well wait-see. I would trade into the low 20s for Cox, or sit still at 27 for Still.
     
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    Brockers can contribute on run downs as a rookie. He is a big-time work in progress rushing the passer.

    His frame is unreal. If you're drafting measurables, he is a no-brainer.
     
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    His right shoulder was bothering him. He did not lift.
     
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    Could Brockers be the guy the Pats are rumored to love in the top 10?
     
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    I hope not. He's not worth a top-10 pick. Fletcher Cox, OTOH...
     
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    I'm wondering if his slower times will scare the 4-3 teams off and maybe some of the one gap 3-4 teams. KC although end isn't a need could take him and then there's that run of teams in the middle of the round with AZ, Dallas, Philly and the Jets. I find it hard to believe he makes it by this grouping but if he does he might make it all the way to the 22-23 range and we could trade up in front of the Steelers much cheaper.

    Honestly I think the Eagles are going to take him. I know they're a 4-3 team but that's a Reid type of pick. That's provided Keuchly is off the board and I think Seattle will take him.

    I'm hoping Cox makes it to the early 20's and they trade up. I think Brockers will be far more stout against the run but I believe Cox has a far greater upside for rushing the passer.
     
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    Don';t set any store by Pro Day 40s. They're run on an athletics track more often than not and indoors. They always improve on their combine results. Heck, I think Alshon Jeffery deliberate;y put off his 40, despite being healthy, so it didn't make him look bad at the combine.

    Brockers is horribly raw. #27 might be a good spot but top 10? No thanks. LSU D Line prospects have a habit of busting at the pro level;...he's going to be the next big one.
     
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    I'm not sure Belichick values the 5 technique as must as he did a decade ago. The game was different back when he was drafting guys like Warren high in the 1st round, when stout run defenses were championship defenses. Now, it's all about stopping the pass. A 5 technique is only a part time player in today's Belichick defense.

    Now, If Belichick views Brockers as a Seymour-esque interior rush monster, my opinion changes, but most scouting reports see him as more of a 5 tech.
     
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    .... isn't worth a top 10 pick, either
     
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    Confused what you mean. Seymour played 5-technique for us, too.
     
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    Would much rather have Devon Still - at least there's some production there.
     
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    I personally don't believe all four of Cox, Poe, Still and Brockers will make it to pick 27. If the last of these makes it to the 22-24 range I would make a minor trade-up to snag whoever is the last of four ... unless you like Reyes better in the early second that is!
     
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    The one question though is how does BB feel about these 5-techs now? Last year we passed on three supposed ideal ones in Cam Jordan, Heyward and Muhammed Wilkerson. Was that simply the lockout dictating that or has BB's priorities changed? The "need" has been there the last two years and BB hasn't addressed it. Is this year likely to be any different?
     
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    Still and his 50% motor? No thanks. He was absolutely owned by the Wisconsin OLiners, pushed back and taken out of play 1on1 numerous times vs average college OLs from Illinois.

    Poe? Watch him get blocked 1on1 by a RB around 1:27 in this video Dontari Poe - YouTube A competent DT would've run all over that RB. Another guy with a very questionable motor.
    Opposing line coach on Dontari Poe: “He took plays off” | ProFootballTalk
    Poe can run fast at 350, under 5sec 40 but then again, so did this 350 guy. Brandon Keith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia He is now a FA and Arizona are not rushing to get him back.
     
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    I have to agree with you on thinking the 4 DT's will be off the board by #27. A lot of draftniks have Reyes climbing into the bottom of the first round.

    However I put Reyes in the same category as Barron. Second round grade, that could move up based on need.

    If Carolina takes Cox at #9 it could start a mini run on the DT position.

    Ideally Brockers would be available at #15 and I think Philly would jump at the chance for #31 and #48 for #15.

    Seems like we've had Andy Reid programmed in #1 on the war room phone speed dial for the past decade. (Ha! Ha!)
     
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    Prob. true, but he is still more worthy of a trade-up (late teens/early 20s?) than Brockers is.
     
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    Excellent question.
     
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