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  1. Brady to Brown

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    27 times is the number of times Rivers dropped back to pass.

    0 is the number of times a Patriot player touched him.

    Manning, Cutler, Farve and others are licking their chops.
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    Yet people continue to focus on Cassel's short comings. :rolleyes:
    I think that the defense is a much bigger area of concern right now.
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    I had hoped when Brady went down that we might win low scoring games.

    Not with this defense. Our front 7 did not touch Rivers last night :rolleyes:
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    The offense does not get a pass. It's pretty horrendous!
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    It drove me crazy all night. We didn't even touch the guy, NOT ONCE. Unbelievable. What happened to that great Patriots defense? Is it a thing of the past? I still can't believe that these guys can't play better than that.
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    The style of defense is not working anymore, hold your ground and hope for an INT only works for Favre and O'Sullivan, a good QB tears up our D every time. Lets face it, Brady was the whole team, he kept the D off the field and well rested, now the D is being exposed because the Offense isn't all world anymore.
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    NO the offense wasn't good, but the defensive performance that I've seen so far this season, has been very disappointing. I expected much more from them. ESPECIALLY, with a healthy Seymour.
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  8. Brady to Brown

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    Many want to talk about Cassel.

    I want to talk about our front 7. Many have the Patriots front 7 rated as one of the best in the league.

    3 - 4, 4 - 3, it did not matter. We could not get anywhere near Rivers.

    And where is Capers in this? Why no pressure from Merriweather, Harrison or Sanders?
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    the blitzes were very bland. It gave the appearance that the Charger oline dominated the entire game, which was the case but I can't even recall a hurry. The Oline was ready for everything the Pat D threw at the Oline, period. So mentally the Chargers dominated, and when you have the mental aspect and KNOW where the blitz is coming from then you dominate physically.
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    interesting stat

    rivers is #1 in the nfl in qb rating, even though he's been sacked 8 times

    cutler is #11 in rating, having only been sacked twice :eek:

    twice!

    man......that is nuts
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    I'm kind of confident that BB and the coaching staff will fix some of the things that went wrong against the Chargers. I also don't think we'll be facing many teams with a RB/TE combo of talent that the Chargers pose, and thus there will be different gameplans and points of emphasis. They won't be keying in on the run against the Colts for example.
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    Cutler won't have to worry about sacks from our team either. :beatingcoming:
    Sad, isn't it?
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    Cutler has an amazing highlight video but disappears at times. He's growing as a QB. Also, Cutler's OLine sucks ass, and if you watch a Donkey game he only takes 3 step drops and makes quick decisions. That's a good thing but sometimes he doesn't allow things to develop so defenses are starting to take away the short stuff and he starts struggling.
    PR might not have the same arm Cutler has but Rivers could make every throw there is and has a sniper for an arm.

    Edit: JC didn't notice it was you.
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    The pass rush was terrible, I agree; and forget the sacks, the harassment level is near zero. Where in the name of Lawrence Taylor is AD? 'Seen Fat Vince push the center back into the QB lately? Ty Warren is borderline Pro Bowl material? Not this year. A rookie, Mayo, and the oldest dude on the team, Harrison, are the only guys who consistently stand out on D! Think about that!

    I think this team is being eaten away by what Lombardi wrote about a few weeks ago - the vets are saying to themselves, "we couldn't win the SB with Brady, so there is zero chance to win without him..." Add to that three weeks of very uneven play by Cassel and the mentals cracks are really starting to show.

    This syndrome was on full display last night after Cassel couldn't punch the ball in from the 1yd line at a very crucial moment in the game and the D let SD drive the full length of the field for a killer TD.

    It got so bad that 74yr old Gino Cappelletti was calling out the D on radio. "The players have to win the one one one battles as a matter of pride," he said a couple times and he sounded pissed.
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    This was covered last night based on reading between the lines of BB's postgame comments, yet people want to :spygate: . So before we cut, trade, trash specific players and coaches, I will repeat it...

    The defensive game plan was predicated on stopping the run and Gates. Which is what you used to have to do with SD. Only Norv's offensive game plan went in a different direction out of the gate perhaps because of the 2008 record with the slow starting status quo. Instead of running on first and second down and passing out of third and often long, even down a #1 WR Norv went with a pass first and pass deep on first and second downs offense we were not prepared to deal with schematically. The safeties were defending against the run and watching Gates. They were not available over the top so the corners were left on islands against pretty tall and emerging WR's. Adding to that we opened in 4-3 only to lose Jarvis Green after the first series. And Merriweather and Hobbs both missed some time due to injuries.
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    I didn't expect anything from them. Mainly because BB and Scott Pioli didn't do anything to improve the secondary and the lack of pass rush in the offseason. In fact, this might be the most embarrassing offseason for those two to date. Those CB's they picked up in the offseason were a joke. The Deltha O'Neal pickup in the beginning of the season was icing on the cake. They clearly don't get it right now. Although I'm not defensive guru, but when you have a slow ass 3-4 defense, why in the hell would you open up with a 4-3? It was comical to watch the front 4 trying desperately to get a finger on Phillip Rivers.

    This is the rant I posted on August 30th about this defense:


    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/107936-secondary-depth-chart-page3.html
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    Thats what half time is for dude. Thats when you change things that are not working. No pressure on the 1st play, 10th play, 20th play, 30th play. None, zero, nada. Belichick does not make excuses why are you?
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    I'm not making excuses, I'm telling you why it happened and it wasn't lack of talent or effort it was scheme. It was 17-3 before the half...dude. And after the opening drive of the second half it was crappy field position exacerbated by a couple of costly penalties that had nothing to do with the DL pressure to boot. It's fine to be critical, just be critical of the right things.
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    So the reason we did not lay one hand on Rivers is beacuse....

    1/ We had no pressure, because the game plan did not call for pressure.

    2/ We had no 2nd half pressure, because the score was 17 - 3.

    3/ We had no pressure because of crappy field position.

    4/ We had no pressure because of costly penalties.

    :rofl:

    Is anyone else reading this?
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    That was pretty funny. How about these two:

    BB scheme doesn't call for sacks?
    BB scheme waits for the opposition to make a mistake instead of his defense making the opposition make a mistake?
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    "Belichick scheme does not call for sacks". I would agree with. What about letting the QB sit in the pocket with zero pressure? How does he feel about that?

    Our secondary is not very good. If Belichick waits around for our secondary to win the battle vs the other teams WR's and TE's the score will not be close.
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    As much as BB knows football, not wanting sacks may be the dumbest strategy of all time. I understand BB wants turnovers instead, but that's not happening with that secondary.
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    We must get pressure or the QB will pick us apart all day.

    It is what it is.
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    We had no pressure because the game plan called for stopping the run and passes to a pro bowl TE. We lost our rotational DE early on. You make adjustments within limits. Part of that is who you start and who is active or available and who practiced what roles all week...

    After the half we had a several minute offensive drive to the 1 yard line that culminated in NOTHING but a loss of the ball on downs. So to put it in terms you can understand, the defense first got back on the field ppossibly prepared to make some adjustments in the second half feeling as if they were collectively kicked in the nuts. Not sure how you play when you're kicked in the nuts, but they gave up a 5 play 2 minute 98 yard drive for a TD that included 2 short passes, a couple of longer runs and a costly PI call. At that point it was 24-3. Then less than a minute later they were recalled to the field following a 1 play drive that resulted in a turnover deep in our end. Three short runs, a SD penalty and a short pass later to regain the lost yardage, stopped on 4th and 1 SD kicked the FG that was the last of their efforts at scoring for the evening.

    So yeah, those are the reasons we didn't lay a hand on Rivers. Reasons, not excuses. I dlon't like our lack of pressure by the front 3 or 4 any more than anyone else here. I just don't think it's because they all really suck. I think it's often scheme related.
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    The Patriots have A.Thomas and M.Vrabel at OLB.

    The Patriots have Wilfork, Seymour and Warren on the D-Line.

    One pressure or sack is not to much to ask no matter what the game plan is.
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    The Giants just lost to the Browns by three touchdowns...why don't you go over to a G Men board and run your mouth...your act is wearing thin here.
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    yup BB sucks as a defensive coach. he has lost it. he doesnt know our secondary is very good.he is getting old..:rolleyes:(sarcasm)
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    cassel got sacked 5 times against SF and o'sullivan wasnt sacked until the game was out of reach. tells you what a sack means. As bb said today , the secondary cant expect the pass rush to bail them out. they need to keep the receivers in front snd they didnt do it.
    BB played his front seven to stop the run and didnt blitz making rivers beat his secondary without chambers. give SD credit , they took that challenge and beat us.
    Against denver the pats will again play no pressure and nickel and dime.So dont hold your breath for pass rush. if you want sacks go watch the giants and eagles.
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    Hobbs missed one or two series; I don't know how many Meriweather missed but it wasn't much more than that either. So where were our coaching adjustments? Was BB outcoached by Norv? Embarrassing. I don't think any pro football coach, let alone one of BB's cache, should have his team unable to react, in real time, to another coach's gameplan. Not at this level.
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