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    Patriots roll up 25 missed tackles vs. Bills

    The total doesn't surprise me, because it was clearly bad. Also doesn't surprise me that the primary culprits were in the secondary.
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    Umm...would you be surprised that the primary culprits were the front seven?

    4+2+2+2+2+1=13 .: 52% of missed tackles by front seven.
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    How about Spikes? Generally speaking, he brings his man down (and the poor fellow usually is painfully aware of it :) )
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    You'll have to be more specific ... 25 missed tackles on which play?
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    that's a lot....
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    Anomoly. The Patriots were one of the best tackling teams in the NFL through 8 games. Bad day plus Spiller and Jackson.
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    It has a lot to do with the subpar performance than the talent. We were clearly not getting up for the Bills.

    Will be very interesting to gauge the temperature of this team when Houston and SF come to town.

    I'm also very interested in seeing how Talib's presence will change the scheme of the front 7. My expectation (and hope) is that they put Talib in man and this allows for schemes with more gamble (e.g. mulitple blitzes).
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    I think it was a fluke. They are usually very good at wrapping up the runner...not last sunday. Should change on sunday
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    The defense must of had a few too many of these before the game.....

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    I agree it was probably an anomaly, the defense has a lot of faults but tackling is usually not one of them.
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    Couldn't agree more. Tackling + many of the other basic fundamentals are usually not a problem on a Bill Belichick coached team.

    I hope that he gave them a serious earful when breaking down the film this week, and I would imagine that some of those problems will not be repeated this upcoming game vs Indy.

    That all said, I still think that the pass defense is horrible, and I wouldn't be surprised if Luck and the Colts scored at least 23 or so on Sunday.

    I worry that we will become all too familiar with the likes of such no-names as Donnie Avery and Ty Hilton come Sunday. Hopefully they can force a couple of turnovers and apply a little pressure to Luck, and the offense will do their usual good job of hanging 30 or so. The last sentence is about the only chance that we are going to have any kind of deeper playoff run, at least in my opinion anyway.
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    Ah, the joy of unofficial stats. Bedard credits the defense with 15 missed tackles, which he calls a season high. And this is in an article where he says this game was the worst defensive performance in the past season and a half, so it's not like he's sugarcoating anything. I'm calling BS on Curran's 25. The correct answer is probably somewhere in the middle, and I'm leaning toward Bedard's end. Ten is still a ton of missed tackles. [Fifteen is more.]

    [Edited to reflect initial number of 10 changing to 15]
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    10 seems low, I saw multiple plays where at least 2 players both missed tackles.
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    I think you have to attribute a big part of that to the speed and elusiveness of guys like CJ Spiller. Give credit where credit is due, that guy made some plays for them.
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    I say sign these two DBs immediately,perfect fits for this secondary!:rocker:
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    I know that some may not agree with me, but I don't find it coincidental that the return of Gregory and Arrington led to a poor result again in terms of the defense. I just don't want those 2 on the field very much, at least not together anyway.

    I was never too high on the Gregory signing. I'd much rather see McCourty paired with Wilson (he can't do any worse than Gregory and he'd be getting precious reps), with maybe Chung in the "McGowan" type role at times vs the TE, trying to prevent the middle attacks that have become so predictable in the past couple/few yrs.
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    Bedard just tweeted that he meant 15 tackles on 10 plays. That makes more sense. Still not nearly as bad as Curran, not that Curran being negative is anything new.
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    15 or 25, either one is unacceptable... pretty certain that BB has spend considerable time discussing this with this team.

    Thought the whole D seemed out of sync last week.....

    But most importantly did Tom Curran get more twitter followers or facebook likes???
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    If I'm not mistaken he tackled his opponent.
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    I'd imagine this weeks team meetings will be epic. Tears may be shed.
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    There are games when a team will just come up against a superior athlete, and all the defense can hope to do is contain him..... Spiller....superior athlete. According to the announcers...4.29 speed...jitterbug quickness....leads the league in yards after first contact coming into the Pats game. It wasn't just a Patriots problem tackling him, its been a league wide problem all year.
    Factor in the Patriots were protecting a lead the entire game which forces the defense to respect the pass more. Then consider the Bills ended the game with a 7 min. 40 sec. time of possession advantage. Expecting 3 plus sized LBs to chase this world class athlete down for 33:50 minutes is a major task. That 4th quarter screen pass to the left said it all....5 Pats lunged and whiffed just after the catch....then Spiller ran to the outside around 5 more Pats. Superior athlete vs a tired D.

    Some comments about the D.....

    Lots of passes thrown to Denard's guy, usually Johnson. Just goes to show you how messed up the secondary is when you are forced to insert a rookie against the oppositions #1 WR.
    Safety play...in today's NFL, where teams rely on the quick pass game....how can safeties be effective? The Chandler TD.....DB (LB?)got lost in the shuffle, safety late to reinforce....boom TD. What is the safety supposed to do. By the time the safety can see a problem, the play is over. Bottom line....this team needs one lock down DB than can play man coverage thereby freeing up the safeties. Dropping 8 into zone coverage and getting burnt is a fail.

    Think about what's going on in Denver. Champ Baily still locking down his guy. QBs purposely avoid passing in his direction (Revis like). When a D knows where your not going to throw it, that's a huge advantage. Then add in a freak pass rusher (Miller) whose been lighting it up of late....Denver has the ideal combo package teams dream of having on D. I easily can understand why Denver is getting so much more love than most other winning teams.

    Speaking of dropping 8....and factoring in the 33:50 minutes the D was on the field......the 3 man rush was painful. Jones getting doubled and Wilfork getting no push/playing contain/too gassed to move. D line depth is a problem and I strongly believe these late game charges by many Pats opponents are a result of an over used DL.

    So here's a question.....are Belichick and McDaniels communicating regarding the big picture. Take the last series with Pats having the ball near the goal line. McDaniels calls the quick snap hoping to grab the 10 point lead....showing zero consideration for the clock. As a backseat driver, I view the big picture at this point in the game as remove seconds from the clock/score TD/score FG. These strategies can go hand in hand. Yet McDaniels acted like he's been handed the keys to the car for the first time. Impetuous...kind of how he acted as defacto GM of Denver.....quick to act/taking eye off the big picture. Hopefully this was a learning opportunity.

    Last screen shot....sideline images of a stressed Patricia showing a sigh of relief/ McDaniels amped after the pick. One guy feeling the burden of the world/ the other guy without a care.....nice to have Brady on your side of the LOS, right Josh....now someone show him where the game clock is
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    25 missed tackles and they still win?

    What an awesome team :rocker:
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    Even more so

    25 missed tackles, AND they won the game. Shows how good they are.
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    Nice post Borgy.

    I think the 25 or 15 missed tackles or some number in between are more an anomaly than a cause for panic (though that won't stop a lot of fans here) If there was one thing we could hang our defensive hat on for this season has been the quality of tackling from the front to the back of the defense.....until Sunday

    The fact that the tackling sucked in the last game is just part of the way things work in the NFL. Its why a team the Pats beat 45-7 could essentially beat one of the top teams in the league its next game... on the road. You are going to have a few clunkers along the way. The game is just too competitive these days, and last Sunday was a clunker for the defense. It shouldn't be the game to define them.

    BTW- I think we also don't give enough credit to Jackson and Spiller. As Borg pointed out, they had been making EVERY team miss a lot of tackles to this point
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