24 Defensive Players

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  1. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Given that we are likely to keep at most one developmental player (Ebner), it seems that 24 defensive roster spots could be sufficient: 15 front seven, 5 corners and 4 safeties. With our new additions, I think that we will be fine on Special Teams.
  2. patsfaninpa

    patsfaninpa In the Starting Line-Up

    That's my breakdown.

    6 Fatties - Wilfork, Love, Deaderick, Fanene, G. Warren and M. Pryor(Or Brace)
    5 OLB/DE - Ninko, C. Jones, T. Scott, J. Cunningham and J Bequette
    4 ILB - Hightower, Mayo, Spikes and Carpenter(Maybe Tarp or White)
    5 CB - Arrington, McCourty, Dowling, Moore and Allen
    4 S - Chung, Gregory, Wilson and Ihedigbo,

    Ebner could beat out Ihedigbo and 10th db Dennard or Barrett.
  3. Big-T

    Big-T Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    DT: Wilfork, Love, Fanene, Deaderick, Brace (5)
    DE: Jones, Ninkovich, Cunningham, Bequette (4)
    LB: Mayo, Spikes, Hightower, Carpenter (4)
    CB: McCourty, Dowling, Arrington, Moore, Dennard (5)
    S: Chung, Gregory, Wilson, Ebner (4)
    CB/S: Allen (1)

    23 for me, Pryor to start on the PUP
  4. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    I've had 25 offense/25 defense until recently. But with (1) Pryor looking increasingly likely to start the season on PUP, (2) Dane Fletcher going on IR, (3) the versatility shown by some of the core defensive players, and (4) the Demps signing and the increasing squeeze on offense, I think 26 offense/24 defense. It could even be as skewed as 27/23.

    My current thoughts:

    Core Defensive Personnel (19):

    DT/DE(4): Brace, Love, Fanene, Deaderick
    DE/OLB(4): Jones, Ninkovich, Bequette, Cunningham
    LB(4): Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Carpenter
    S(3): Chung, Gregory, Wilson
    CB(4): McCourty, Dowling, Arrington, Moore

    I would expect all of these guys to be on the active game day roster, barring injury.

    Additional Defensive Personnel (5):

    DT/DE(1): One out of Warren/Harrison/Brace/Forston
    DE/OLB(1): One out of Scott/Francis
    LB(1): One out of Tarpinian/White/Koutivides
    DB(2): Ebner, Dennard

    I would see 2 of these guys being on the active game day roster, barring injury. Of course, there's always the possibility that one or more could play themselves onto the "core" list (e.g., Dennard supplanting more as the 4th CB, Scott/Francis supplanting Cunningham as the 4th DE/OLB).

    Possible PUP:

    DT/DE: Pryor
    DE/OLB: Possibly Andre Carter

    I'd be pretty happy with that group.
  5. Lamanai

    Lamanai On the Game Day Roster

    No Wilfork?
  6. BlueThunder

    BlueThunder PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Vince gets cut at last minute :D
  7. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    OMG. That was supposed to be Wilfork instead of Brace ... minor typo. Mea culpa, and thanks for catching it.

    The rest of the breakdown is unchanged.
  8. Patriot Missile

    Patriot Missile Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Had to laugh at you on that one Mayo. Your usually almost flawless which makes it funny to read.
  9. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Well, at least when I screw up it's a whopper. I had to laugh at that one, too.
  10. AzPatsFan

    AzPatsFan Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    My 2 cents:

    Pryor to PUP

    Warren DL; & Allen CB/S; to Shadow Roster pending the PHONE CALL

    Brace, Big Ugly; Dennard, CB/S; and Ebner SS/ST gunner make squad.
  11. Matthew Jones

    Matthew Jones Rookie

    Here's what I have at the moment:

    Defensive Line (10): Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Jonathan Fanene, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick, Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jake Bequette, Jermaine Cunningham, Trevor Scott

    Linebacker (6): Jerod Mayo, Dont’a Hightower, Brandon Spikes, Bobby Carpenter, Jeff Tarpinian, Niko Koutovides

    Cornerback (5): Devin McCourty, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Sterling Moore, Will Allen

    Safety (4): Pat Chung, Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson, James Ihedigbo

    Injured Reserve/PUP (3): DT Myron Pryor, LB Dane Fletcher, CB Alfonzo Dennard

    Practice Squad (4): DT Marcus Forston, LB Mike Rivera, CB Malcolm Williams, SS Nate Ebner
  12. Metaphors

    Metaphors In the Starting Line-Up

    Tried to look at the Week #1 roster makeup from past years to see if there are any noticeable trends. None of these are absolutes, but generally see:

    1) 10 active skill position players (RB, WR, TE)
    2) 7 active OL plus 2 more inactive
    3) 4 active RBs plus 1 more inactive
    4) 6 dedicated active STers (non-returners)

    While this doesn't say anything directly about the defense, it does make everything else fairly predictable...solidifying the defense by process of elimination:

    46 active - 2 QBs - 10 skill - 7 OL - 6 ST = 21 active defenders
    7 inactive - 1 QB - 2 OL - 1 skill = 3 inactive defenders

    That means a trend of 24 total defenders as you are forecasting. My best guess based on the info above:

    QB Brady, Hoyer
    RB Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead, Demps
    WR Lloyd, Welker, 2 of Edelman/Gaffney/Stallworth/Branch
    TE Gronkowski, Hernandez (keeping a healthy Fells displaces a WR)
    OT Solder, Vollmer, Cannon
    C/G Connolly, Mankins, Koppen/Thomas/Waters, Wendell
    ST Gostkowski, Mesko, Aiken, Slater, Tarpinian/White/Niko/Larsen, Ebner/Cole

    QB Mallett
    RB Bolden (or a hurt WR/TE with Bolden going to PS)
    OL McDonald, JWarren (or other dev guy)

    That leaves 21 active and 3 inactive defenders. While this is all interesting to discuss, injuries will have more to do with the roster makeup than any prognosticating we can do at this point.
  13. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    The funny thing is that I noticed Brace being listed twice, in both sections - but completely overlooked Wilfork not being listed at all.
  14. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    The guys who would "definitely" get snaps on defense are in bold. (Of course, the depth chart could flip.) Comments in bold too.

    I'd be happy with it too.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2012
  15. rookBoston

    rookBoston 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Starting D...

    RDE/DE Jones
    DT/NT Wilfork
    DT/DE Fanene
    LDE/OLB Ninkovich
    WLB/ILB Mayo
    MLB/ILB Spikes
    SLB/OLB Hightower
    LCB McCourty
    RCB Arrington
    SS Chung
    FS Gregory

    2nd Team...

    RDE/DE Bequette
    DT/NT Love
    DT/DE Deaderick
    LDE/OLB Cunningham
    WLB/ILB Carpenter
    MLB/ILB Rivera
    SLB/OLB Tarpinian
    LCB Moore
    RCB Dowling
    SS Ebner
    FS Wilson

    ... gets me to 22

    I agree that capping the D at 24 makes sense given the logjam at TE/FB/WR/RB. So for my last two roster spots...

    - Cole (as a gunner)
    - Brace (as Fanene insurance)

    Practice squad
    - Dennard
    - Williams
    - Francis

    Waived and likely to be claimed
    - Scott
    - Barrett

    Shadow roster
    - Allen
    - Koutouvides
    - Ihedibo
    - Warren
    - Carter
    - Brown
  16. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    1) I too am pretty happy with this group. I certainly agree with your core.

    2) I would list the backup DB's as "DB(2): Two out of Dennard/Ebner/Ihedigbo/Barrett/Cole".

    3) Of the backups, I could see only the Ster being active, giving us 3 inactives. I could also see 2 inacives as you indicated.

    4) In any case, injuries likely still have a role to play. For example, I could see Dennard ending up on the IR.

    Last edited: Aug 19, 2012
  17. goheels22002

    goheels22002 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Belichick is going to cut Vince Wilfork? Bold move. Reminiscent of Lawyer Milloy.
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