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    These are preliminary figures. Has us rolling over $5.6M in carryover for a total of $18.6M available. Absent data on # of players signed and players to be cut, extended, tendered...can't decipher where each team actually stands, but we appear to be in good shape relatively speaking. A Brady extension would likely free up almost half again as much space. A Wilfork extension and/or restructures of a handful of other recent deals invluding Mankins, Mayo and the TE's could easily free up several million more. Welker if tagged would take up $11.5M. Notable pending FA to be replaced or re-signed include Talib, Vollmer, Woodhead, Edelman, maybe Chung.

    NFL mailbag -- Carryover rules impact cap strategy - ESPN

    (Note when reading his graphic a (-) preceeding available cap space, as in the JETS case, indicates the team is - before any cuts - that much over the cap.)
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    Still interested in whether they will recoup money from Fanene. That could add up to $3-4 million to the cap.
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    Apart from our numbers, a few other things stand out to me.

    First, the Jets at -$19.4M. Ouch. I know there are a few fixes that will get them to even or so, but those will be tough and still not exactly free up a ton of space. They are going to need one heck of a draft if they think they are going to improve much.

    Second, the Dolphins at +$35.8M. They improved over the course of the season. If Tannehill can make progress, they have a lot of space for investment. Interesting to see what they do with Bush and Hartline.

    Third, the Colts and Bengals each with over $46M available. Especially the Colts here.

    Last, the Cowboys and Steelers each with more than -$10M available. The Steelers have always been so well run but they have definitely taken a step back the last few years.
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    The Jets' situation isn't as bad as it looks, and the Phins' situation isn't as good as it looks.

    The Jets are definitely going to cut these guys:
    Jason Smith - $12M
    Calvin Pace - $8.56M
    Bart Scott - $7.15M
    Eric Smith - $3M
    and may cut Sione Pouha for another $3.8M, which would give them $34.5M in savings and $15M in cap room. They then need to replace all of those players, but they'll at least be able to field a team of NFL players.

    The Phins have to either resign or replace their starting RB, #1 WR, starting tight end, starting left tackle, starting DT, #1 CB, and a starting safety. That $35M is going to be gone in a hurry.
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    The Jets' situation isn't as bad as it looks, but it is pretty bad. When they do what they need to do to get $15 million under the roster, they will have only something like 20 players on the roster with the following starting jobs open:

    SS
    FS
    ILB
    OLB
    OLB
    DE (probably filled by Couples)
    NT
    RT
    RG
    LG
    TE
    RB
    They also will have to dedicate about $6 million to the rookie pool. And let's not forget they will need to get a QB who can compete at least with Sanchez. When you look at it, that $15 million will not give them a lot of money to fill their holes with anything more than stopgap players and rookies at most positions.
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    Resign Welker and Talib, and the 2013 Patriots are the most complete team going into opening day that I can remember. Every other FA including Vollmer can be replaced (some team is going to pay him nutty LT money). I'd really like Woody/Arrington back for cheap too.
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    Couldn't agree more (that and a viable deep-threat).
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    It's hard not to get giddy. I'd add Edelman to your list as hopefully to return, and Demps could add a real exciting component to the return game. Add another free agent and draft class?

    Salt away #4 in a couple of weeks, and then.....

    OK, ok. Houston first. But wow.
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    It would be better if these types of articles carried a list of each team's free agents and needs to get a better understanding of the cap, the carryover total and the projected cap totals for players if they are re-signed. In isolation, forwarding a number means nothing without context.
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    This is how I'd like to see it played out. Unless I missed something when going over the player contracts, pretty much every important player is locked up for AT LEAST 2013 and 2014 except Ninko who becomes a FA after 2013. That's got to be a scary site for the rest of the NFL.
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    That cap space comes at a good time for the Colts. Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings and Victor Cruz are all potential guys who could hit the market and add a huge dimension to that team. Not to mention, Ryan Clady is a top 5-10 guy at tackle, or even Vollmer to lock down the other side.

    They are most likely follow the Green Bay model and sit on all that space and keep pushing it forward, but they gotta use up a good amount to meet the floor.
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    IK, we're two games from the SB and talking about the future with this team is almost as exciting. If Talib is resigned, the defense really only has two holes: a coverage LB and a better option than Gregory starting.

    DE: Jones (2nd year)
    DT: Wilfork
    DT: Deaderick/Love (4th year)
    DE: Ninkovich (2nd year at DE coming off a solid season)
    OLB: Mayo
    ILB: Spikes (4th year)
    OLB: Hightower (2nd year)
    CB: Talib (2nd year with team)
    CB: Dennard (2nd year)
    FS: McCourty (4th year/2nd at safety)
    SS: Gregory (2nd year with team)

    Only one hole in the starting unit and its not that bad.
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    The Colts have players in those positions already. They let Garcon walk for a big money contract. I suspect the Colts will be more interested in beefing up their line and improving their defense.
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    The Jets are screwed, blued and tattooed. The only hope that team has is that a starter quality QB falls in their laps for pennies, either through the draft or out of desperation. They'll either have to play a lot of games with the cap or take a year off of signficant team building outside of the draft.
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    Might be interesting if the NFL allowed teams to use a portion of their cap-space for trades.

    Or so or maybe some version of soccer's player-loaner rules.
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    New England Patriots -2014 Unrestricted Free Agents:

    Defense

    Brandon Deaderick
    Kyle Love
    Myron Pryor
    Rob Ninkovich
    Jermaine Cunningham
    Brandon Spikes
    Dane Fletcher

    Offense

    Ryan Wendell
    Michael Hoomanawanui

    Special Teams

    Zoltan Mesko
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    That's a nice projection as far as not needing to sign many of our own next year in the offseason, although one could argue that this year balances that out a bit since we seem to have a nice handful of key players to take care of.

    I forgot that McCourty signed a 5 yr deal, and have been thinking that it's a 4 yr deal the whole time, so that's another added bonus that I didn't realize.

    If we can get at least 3-4 of our own re-signed when FA kicks into gear in Feb/March, we will be in a very good spot for the future. A Brady extension would be the icing on the cake to save money and give fans the peace of mind that he'll definitely be here for the next 4 seasons or so, but is hardly necessary since there's a high likelihood that he'll retire here no matter what. A restructuring is necessary however, although the 2 may go hand in hand.

    I'd like to obviously start with Welker, even if that means the franchise tag again, and then move on to Woodhead and Edelman. I don't think it's going to take too much to retain both of them, and both can play key roles heading into the future.

    I'd like to be able to get ONE of Vollmer/Talib (preferring Vollmer), and ONE of Arrington/Chung (preferring Arrington, due to his ability to also start on the outside in a pinch).
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    But that would mean actual journalism and research work rather than simply regurgitating released numbers without providing proper context
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