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    With the Pats season over and free agency (hopefully) and the draft still a ways away, I figured this would be a good time to look back - and look forward - with some discussion at each position on the team.

    Defensive Line
    Vince Wilfork
    Ty Warren (injured reserve)
    Gerard Warren (free agent)
    Ron Brace (injured reserve)
    Mike Wright (injured reserve)
    Eric Moore
    Brandon Deaderick
    Kyle Love
    Myron Pryor
    Landon Cohen
    Kade Weston (injured reserve)
    Darryl Richard (injured reserve)
    Marlon Favorite (practice squad)
     
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    It Is What It Is -- Patriots by position: Defensive line | Christopher Price

     
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    Patriots Could Look to Add Defensive Line Depth in Draft, Despite Huge Year From Vince Wilfork - New England Patriots - NESN.com - Jeff Howe

     
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    Thanks for the articles as usual, jmt57. I'm going to disagree with Chris here and agree with Howe. We need to draft a top DE if available, no matter what.

    Fairley and the Alabama guy might be too high, but if their's a fit we have to move up for, so be it. it's really hard to tell who and how high now, their are a bunch and I'm not a draftnik college fan at all. After our excellent drafting the last two years, we can't expect to fill the fewer holes left perfectly, we need to target the most importsnt and in our D that's always D Line any year we don't have Warren fork and Seymour.

    Hopefully Warrens tip top, but we don't know that and Wilfork's only human, he can't disguise a revolving band of no names forever.

    A top DE turns a weakness into a strength with one pick, since the chance to play Gerard and the new kids, including Brace, should give us the best depth in years.
     
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    If we are ever interested in trading up this would be the year. With a ton of picks we need a starting DE with high upside ASAP. Those guys dont hit free agency and we have plenty of stop-gap types. G.Warren deserves another shot but with a first round pick and the other Warren on his way back wont get him more time and he surely will get more $$ elsewhere after his prove-it year. Hopefully Wright makes it back and Pryor can find his 09 form. Hoping Love can develop a little bit, we will see if Vince can be a teacher. We need a playmaker along the line that simply isnt on the roster right now...
     
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    Future Focus: Defensive line - espnBoston - Mike Reiss

     
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    Only 7 DL are going to make the roster, and there are going to be some talented players cut. Depth isn't the issue right now, upside is. I expect a draft pick who isn't ready to start yet, but has the upside to be a very good DE in the scheme, somebody like JJ Watt, Muhammad Wilkerson, or Jarvis Jenkins. And Dareus doesn't fit the scheme :p

    (Depth is not an issue as long as 4 of the top 7 don't get hurt again...)
     
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    If Marcel Dareus or Cameron Jordan fall to #17, the New England Patriots should draft one of them without hesitation.
     
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    My conclusion is that we draft a DL in top 35 or not all. I'm not counting players drafted in the 6th or 7th as potential Practice Squad players.
     
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    I agree or we go the trade route with someone who is not even on the radar today. For some reason I think BB will pull out a trade with one of our first six picks. A lot depends on how BB feels about Warren's progress after missing the whole 2010 season.
     
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    I'm almost at the point of saying draft DL with the 17th pick or not at all. You want to turn the three top picks into big time, year one contributors, and I'm not sure that, say, Muhammed Wilkerson is going to be appreciably better as a rookie than whoever emerges from the battle of third year Brace/third year Pryor/second year Deaderick/third year Richard/second year Watson.
     
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    I'm not a fan of trading multiple picks for a top 5 player but I am a fan of trading up and getting a player that makes sense.

    In the absence of a Lawrence Taylor-type of player at OLB, I also agree that a 3-4 DE that can pressure the QB AND stop the run is a huge need on this team. Seeing that the team has 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, it has currency to trade up. While Fairley may be too expensive in the way of picks, I've seen Dareus projected anywhere from 4 to 14.

    At any event, the team need more 3-down impact players on D- especially the D-line.
     
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    Position Snapshot: Defensive Line | Patriots.com | 1/26/11 | Erik Scalavino

    Erik Scalavino takes a look at each player on the roster on the defensive line; a couple of snippets below.




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    I don't know if i'd be that draconian about it but I basically agree that they will have to use a high pick, first 3 rounds, to get a player who will make this team at DL. G. Warren should return and with Wright and Pryor that gives them 5 good DL. Players like Brace and Deaderick will be fighting for spots, as will Moore, Love, and others. They should bring in a quality Free Agent and draft at least one DL with their first 3 picks imo, that should give them the competition and depth to give them a really good DL next year. I do like Reiss idea of taking a 4-3 pass rusher early to give them flexibility as they are being forced out of their base too often to go without it.
     
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    The situation is similar to last year. We wanted and needed a stud 3-4 DE. However, we had a reasonable group of players under contract. Presumably, Belichick considered DE in the early rounds (and rejected Odrick in favor of McCourty). This year, even more than last, once you get past 40, we are just as well with Brace, Deaderick, Pryor and Love, to be added to Wilfork, Warren and Warren (or a vet free agent). Wright is a wildcard who I do not expect to be on the active roster come September.

    Sure we will also take a shot late as we ahve many times, and we may indeed find a player. After all, we still have Pryor, Deaderick and Love (and Richard and Weston).

    My BOTTOM LINE is that we are ready to start the season without a stid DE if the value isn't there. Our 2011 DL would be stronger than 2010 even without a stud DE, with Ty Warren returning, and Brace presumably having improved some.



     
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    Ty Warren's Return, Rich Draft Class Should Fill Patriots' Needs on Defensive Line - New England Patriots - NESN.com - Jeff Howe

    Jeff Howe takes a look at 14 NFL free agent defensive linemen.



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    Free-Agent Fit: Defensive line - New England Patriots Blog - espnBoston - Mike Rodak

    Rodak also offers his opinion on the position.



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    It Is What It Is -- NFL Draft’s Potential Patriots: Temple DT Muhammad Wilkerson -- WEEI.com

    There are also more notes in the article on the defensive line position for the Pats, as well as a video of Wilkerson.



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    Mayock: Which 3-4 DE might be the best fit for the Patriots? - New England Patriots Blog - espnBoston - Mike Reiss


    Musings from Mayock on draft - New England Patriots Blog - espnBoston - Mike Reiss



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    There are some good Draft Prospects a DE (3-4):

    Cameron Jordon
    Cameron Heyward
    JJ Watt
    Marcus Dareus


    I'd be happy if Patriots keep their 17th pick, trade their 28th, and pick any of the 4 above.

    For their 33rd, they can upgrade their OL.
     
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