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  1. VJCPatriot

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    So the Pats have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds of the NFL draft, that means 6 selections in the top 100. That's pretty exciting. Just for fun, you be the GM.

    Pick your players using this rankings chart.
    Top 100 Prospects for the 2011 NFL Draft

    Here are the Pats picks:
    1st Round – #17 (OAK – Richard Seymour)
    1st Round – #32*
    2nd Round – #33 (CAR – 2010 3rd Round)
    2nd Round – #64*
    3rd Round – #74 (MIN – Randy Moss)
    3rd Round – #96*
    *For the sake of this game we will presume that they are picking 32nd.

    If you want to move up and down you can trade picks for equivalent value.
    Trade Value Chart
    NFL draft-pick value chart - NFL - ESPN

    1st Round – #17 950 pts
    1st Round – #32 590 pts
    2nd Round – #33 580 pts
    2nd Round – #64 270 pts
    3rd Round – #74 220 pts
    3rd Round – #96 116 pts

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    So here goes my attempt:

    What I seem to notice here at the start of the draft is that it would cost a lot to move up. So better value is obtained by trading down.

    First I'll trade #17 (950) and #74 (220) for #21 (800) and #53 (370).

    #21 = Cameron Heyward DE

    After moving down, now I want to move up back up in round 1.

    I'll trade #32 (590) and #96 (116) for #26 (700).

    #26 = Kenny Tate S

    Picks left
    #33, #53, #64

    Now I want to move back down again get more picks to play with.
    #33 (580) and #64 (270) gets traded for #46 (440), #72 (230), and #104 (86).

    Picks left
    #46, #53, #72, #104

    #46 = Derek Sherrod OT

    #53 = Michael Floyd WR

    #72 (230) and #104 (86) are traded for #58 (320).

    #58 = K.J. Wright LB

    Overall Haul:
    #21 Cameron Heyward DE
    #26 Kenny Tate S
    #46 Derek Sherrod OT
    #53 Michael Floyd WR
    #58 K.J. Wright LB
     
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    Trade #17 (950) and #96 (116) for #20 (850) and #84 (170)

    Round 1, Pick 20
    Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue

    Picks left: 32, 33, 64, 74, 84

    Trade #33 (580) and #84 (170) for #26 (700)

    Round 1, Pick 26
    Kenny Tate, FS, Maryland

    Picks left: 32, 64, 74

    Trade #32 (590), #64 (270) and #74 (220) for #30 (620), #62 (284) and #94 (124)

    Round 1, Pick 30
    Stefan Wisniewski, G, Penn State

    Picks left: 62, 94

    Trade #62 (284) and #94 (124) for #56 (340) (and a 4th)

    Round 2, Pick 24
    Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Temple

    Overall Haul:
    Ryan Kerrigan
    Kenny Tate
    Stefan Wisniewski
    Muhammad Wilkerson
    (and a 4th)
     
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    Trade picks #17, #32, and #74 for Texans #11, #42 and #173.
    Point Totals: Pats 1760, Texans 1753.2

    Draft:
    #11 Prince Amukamara CB/FS
    #33 Christian Ballard DE
    #42 Jeremy Beal OLB
    #64 Mike Bewster C/OG
    #96 Trade for 2012 2nd
    Plus 6th rounder (173)
     
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    Wow... I can actually draft all my binkies:

    trade #17 + 74 + 96 for #12 + 63

    #12 - DL Marcell Dareus
    #30 - OG Stefen Wisniewski
    #40 - RB Mark Ingram
    #63 - OLB Jeremy Beal


    But how about this dream class:

    Trade down from #17 to #30 and pick up #63...
    #30 - OG Stefen Wisniewski.... to fill for Stephen Neal
    #35 - DL Jerrell Powe............. depth behind Wilfork
    #40 - RB Mark Ingram............ backfill for Fred Taylor
    #63 - OLB Jeremy Beal........... upgrade over TBC
    #64 - WR Jonathan Baldwin..... no roster space for him, but hell why not
    #74 - CB Aaron Williams.......... compete with Wilhite and Butler
    #98 - FB Owen Marecic.......... to squeeze Sammie Morris off the roster
     
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    Interesting entries. Keep em coming.
    I know it's way early. But it's fun to look back sometimes and think, what was I thinking? Or hey I was a genius, so called that pick! ^_^

    Obviously it's very convenient to be able to trade using the value chart. I know trades won't ever work out quite this perfectly in real life. But hey, it's just for fun.

    Anyways here was the rationale behind my picks.

    #21 Cameron Heyward DE. Yes, I've heard about the motor issues. But this guy has the ability to just dominate and command double teams. Great frame, size, and power for the position. I don't care if he only got 2.5 sacks his senior season. With the Pats the DL's job is more about occupying blockers and collapsing the pocket when you can. I think he can bring that.

    #26 Kenny Tate S. Just a freak of a safety. I mean I've seen big safeties who can hit hard. But finding one who can also cover? Now that's rare. I could see BB using this guy in all sorts of evil genius ways. Hell, he even seemed to be a pretty good blitzer. So that's just one more way to pressure the QB. The unexpected safety blitz.

    #46 Derek Sherrod OT. Light is getting old and I'm not sure how much money he wants. Sherrod and Vollmer could make for a good pair of bookends. Even if we keep Light for another year or two, developing the talent and depth now never hurts. Brady is the Franchise and needs to be protected.


    #53 Michael Floyd WR. I know, we don't really need a WR. But the guy was just such good value here. Good size at 6'3, good hands, knows our offense because he played in Charlie Weiss' system. Really he could turn into an instant starter for us and give Brady yet another big tall weapon in the red area as BB likes to call it.

    #58 K.J. Wright LB. I don't know a lot about this kid but if his measurements are accurate. IE at least 6'3 and 250 lbs he is big enough for the New England system. He's a senior, team captain, and a leader. Can always use that type of player. Now I don't know if he can transition to our OLB spot. That's always tough. But he sounds like he has the athleticism to be an all-around player, defending run/pass/and rushing the qb. If he really can run a 4.6 I think he could pull it off. But even if he runs a 4.7 that would still be faster than Cunningham right? If we get ourselves a Cunningham clone, I think that would be pretty good.

    Anyways I reserve the freedom to change my mind. But I wouldn't be unhappy with this type of haul. The Pats still have enough picks left to get another OL, CB, or RB prospect in the later rounds.
     
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    Nice to see some attention being given to KJ Wright. The guy just plays. And what he actually does on the field appears to me to be just what an OLB would do in our system. His teammate, Chris White, seems likely to make a fine MLB for some team, too.

    I haven't seen Wright ranked as high as the 2nd round many places. Yet. He certainly could rise that far by draft day. Not sure I'd prefer him over Jeremy Beal. Be nice if we could get both, somehow.

    Both these guys, though, demonstrate to me that we probably don't need to spend a first rounder to get a high-quality OLB.
     
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    My targets are to upgrade both lines and try to take some talented depth from there so here it goes.

    trade #17 + 74 + 96 for #12 + 63

    #12 - DL Marcell Dareus

    Trade 32 and our 5th for 30

    #30 - OG Stefen Wisniewski

    Trade 33 for 40 and 104

    #40 - RB Mark Ingram (steal)

    #63 - Olb Jeremy Beal

    trade #64 for #68 and 164 (28.2)

    #68 - CB Brandon Harris Miami (steal)

    Trade #104 #128(our 4th) and #164 ( 168) for 83 (175)

    #83 -DE Cameron Jordan (steal)

    So we end up with:

    12- Marcel Dareus
    30- Steven Wisniewski
    40- Mark Ingram (steal)
    63- Jerremy Beal
    68- Brandon Harris (steal)
    83- Cameron Jordan (steal)

    From this I think we got the best DE available (and Cameron Jordan who some have predicted to go in the high 2nd low 1st), our pass rusher beal, a talented RB to take taylors place, a developmental interior lineman and a young CB who many on this board have wanted in the 1st.
     
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    I've been home sick for a couple days and have already done one. I was using a different list. But I think it will work with this one too.


    I am also one that wants to shore up the front lines while filling or upgrading other positions.

    The Pats hold and wait to see what falls in their laps.
    #17 - JJ Watt - DE

    Trade the #32 for #48 and '12 #2

    Trade the #33 for #38 and an early 4th
    With no late round picks they get an extra pick, and still get the guy they want.

    #38 - M. Wilkerson - DE
    Two DE this early? With Mike Wright hanging them up before he turns into Ted Johnson, there are now 2 spots open on the DL. The Pats take the opportunity to fill them both.

    #48 - J. Sheard - OLB
    With Romeus out he steps up and becomes a leader, putting up career stats in his SR year.

    #64 - C. Boling - OG
    College OT moves inside to OG for the Pats.

    #74 - J. Kirkpatrick - OC
    Experienced pivot man in one the countries most explosive offenses.

    #96 - R. Helu - RB


    17 - Watt
    38 - Wilkerson
    48 - Sheard
    64 - Boling
    74 - Kirkpatrick
    96 - Helu
    plus an early 4th '11
    and an extra 2nd '12
     
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    My Draft:

    # 17 - DE/OLB Ryan Kerrigan (plus fourth pick in fourth round)
    #32 - DT/DE Jared Crick (minus our fourth, so moved from last to fourth)
    #33 - OT Derek Sherrod (plus pick #90)
    #64 - WR Austin Pettis (minus #90)
    #76 - DE/OLB Greg Romeus
    #96 - RB DeMarco Murray
     
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    The Draft Value Chart needs to be updated. The league has changed from a superstar dominated field to depth and balance. The other day, someone wrote that the Pats could trade #17, their first, and #33 for the fourth overall pick, according to the chart. Are you insane? It's obvious that the league has evolved since Jimmy Johnson wrote this thing up, and even with the new rookie wage cap, it still won't be close.
     
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    2011 NFL Draft Day
    #17 – Patriots trade #17 overall to Seattle for their 1st round pick (# 21) and the 4th round pick (#98) they gave up for Deion Branch and a 7th round pick in 2012. Seattle selects QB Jake Locker.

    #21 – Gabe Carimi OT/G Wisconsin – Can kick inside to play Guard until Light leaves.

    #32 – Patriots trade #32 and #128 to Cleveland for # 37, #101 and #165. Cleveland selects a WR that has fallen and jumps ahead of other teams that needs one like Buffalo and Cincinnati.

    #33 – Kenny Tate S Maryland – Replacement for BM.

    #37 – Muhammed Wilkerson DE/DT Temple – 5 Technique DE

    #55 – Mikel LeShoure RB Illinois. Trade up with Philly giving up #64 and #101 and getting back the 2012 conditional pick for Tracy White. Moving ahead of teams like Green Bay and New Orleans that need RB’s.

    #74 – Pierre Allen DE/OLB Nebraska – Has Leadership skills BB likes and can set the edge.

    #96 – Trade one of the last picks for Day 2 for a 2012 2nd rounder.

    #98 – Owen Marecic FB/ILB Stanford – Solid FB that could also see play in sub packages on D and ST.

    Overall Haul
    #21 Gabe Carimi OT/G Wisconsin
    #33 Kenny Tate S Maryland
    #37 Muhammed Wilkerson DE/DT Temple
    #55 Mikel LeShoure RB Illinois
    #74 Pierre Allen DE/OLB Nebraska
    #96 2012 2nd rounder
    #98 Owen Marecic FB Stanford
     
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    That's the 3rd time I've seen Wilkerson mentioned in this thread so I decided to look into him.

    This article seems pretty positive.
    Temple Defensive Tackle Muhammad Wilkerson Looks NFL Ready | Bleacher Report

    At 6'5 305 he certainly has the size we're looking for in a 3-4 DE.
    My primary concerns.
    1. Level of competition in the MAC isn't very strong.
    2. Does he have the strength to take on double teams.
    3. Can he play 5 tech or is he more suited for 1-gap attacking defenses?

    Just for fun check this out. Temple practices appear to be really intense and fun. Wow. Skip to about 4:00 mark to get to Wilkerson's interview. I do like how he deflects praises and gives credit to the coaching and the other players. Textbook BB talk. And yeah keep watching. The practice footage is fun!
     
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    ...also interesting that four people took S Kenny Tate in the first. The Patriots have potentially four starting safeties with Chung, Sanders, Page, and two-time Pro Bowl safety Meriweather. Tate might be the most commonly chosen guy so far. hmmm.
     
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    I think its a matter of him being the BPA in the mid to late first round of the Draft IMO.
     
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    ...and wanting Meriweather to gtfo
     
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    This. I forgot to include that I think BM will probably be traded ala Ellis Hobbs on Day 3 this year.
     
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    I was under the impression that there was a ban on trading players for picks in this draft, or until an new CBA is in place.

    I could be wrong though.
     
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    Page is a FA next year and was looking for a big payday from Kansas City. He may go elsewhere. Sanders and Meriweather are only signed through 2011. Chung and Sergio Brown through 2012 so there is need to find a young guy to take over.

    I didn't really see what Meriweather did this year to earn "Pro Bowl" honors but it may work out for the Pats if they can get some team to trade for him.

    I would rather have Sanders, Chung, Brown and a rookie. Kenny Tate was BPA pick and it could easily have been Rahim Moore or Quinton Carter/Eric Hagg in later rounds.
     
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    Correct but this is a fantasy scenario so in my draft a new CBA is in place.
     
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