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  1. Sean Pa Patriot

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    Pete Caroll- I just dont see Belichick drafting a Pete Caroll defensive player... I know people will say, well they drafted Matt Cassell and Oscar Lua... Well Lua is gone, and Cassel is a QB.... No way they draft a USC player that high..
     
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    Why don't you see it?
     
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    I just dont think Belichick is a fan of Tickle me Pete, he wont draft players from a former Pats coach, just my opinion...
     
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    "Tickle me Pete" (??) has established the most prestigious college football program over the last 5 years which far and away have recruited and produced the greatest collegiate athletes in the country. Why wouldn't we want to tap into that pipeline?
     
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    Tickle me Pete is a great college coach, I may be wrong beside's Carson Palmer, name some great USC players under tickle me pete that has made a great NFL impact...

    I think Belichick will not draft a USC product that high, if Gholston or Mcfadden , or Long are off the board , which it looks like they will , they trade down to draft Mayo, or harvey..
     
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    It's a pretty good policy to avoid highly touted Carroll players in the draft. The bust factor is through the roof.
     
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    Fortunately Belichick is smart enough to separate the player from the coach, and to not shoot himself in the foot because of mere dislike for a coach, which, in this case, probably doesn't even exist.

    I mean, are you suggesting that if Vince Wilfork played for USC we wouldn't have drafted him? That's preposterous. How about Brandon Meriweather? Bill was smart enough to see the talent amidst the directionless program.

    If we don't draft Ellis it will be because he's not the best fit for the team relative to another player on the board. That said, I think he's gone at 5 to KC otherwise they wouldn't have traded Allen.
     
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    Eh? Polamalu is pretty good. Carson Palmer is pretty good. Lofa Tatupu is pretty good.

    What is this? Rocky IV and jingoism gone wild? Let's evaluate players individually and not think lazily by painting them with a broad brush. If the Patriots did that, they wouldn't be a very good team.
     
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    Yes, USC under Carroll produces a lot of heavily hyped players who benefit from the level of talent around them.

    BUT

    USC under Carroll consistently recruits some of the nation's finest athletes. It would be foolish to ignore them.
     
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    Did you steal these sediments from people under the "duke theory" of talking trash about Duke players because Hurley, Lattener, and Jay Williams sucked?

    I mean, it you are going to hold Carroll responsible, you have to make the case that somehow he is coaching these guys in way that actually are detrimental to their pro career. That is a tough case to make.

    Think of it this way. Thomas Jones kind of sucks. Billy McMullen (WR to Eagles) sucks bad and I don't even knows if he plays. D'bickshaw could be less than advertised.........so Al Groh is a crappy coach and both Long and Albert are red flagged?
     
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    I do like Lawrence Jackson. And also Rivers, but for a 4-3 team. They're going to be very good players. But wow, has USC put out some awful busts recently. Especially the top picks. UTexas has a similar problem. It's like the top players think the money they get from the NFL is just payment for what they did in college, not what they will do in the pros. Frankly, USC and Texas football are bigger than the NFL in a lot of ways. The players who go there seem to feel that everything afterwards is just a let down.
     
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    Does anybody remember the tickle me pete years here??? I do, they were avg at best and it took Belichick to fix it...


    I did forget Tatupu- But he has football and pats genes:D

    and Polaumamu. I will give tickle me pete credit there...

    But I dont think guys like Ellis or Rivers will fit into Belichick's system...
     
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    I doubt he will be saying this next year with Mauaugalagagagaaua
     
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    Some people tend to agree
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    TEAMS LEERY OF USC PLAYERS?

    Posted by Mike Florio on April 24, 2008, 10:08 p.m.
    There’s a growing sense in some league circles that incoming players from the University of Southern California merit extra scrutiny during the endless buildup to the draft.
    The concern is that too many of the players who emerge from the Trojan program love the SoCal lifestyle more than they love football.
    Though it’s always dangerous to generalize (but what the hell, we’ll do it anyway), there have been a surprising number of busts to emerge from Pete Carroll’s no-pay (by the school) paradise.
    In 2003, the Trojans sent a trio of solid players into the league: Carson Palmer, Troy Polamalu, and Justin Fargas. Since then, however, the only guy who has proven to be a consistent high-end talent is linebacker Lofa Tatupu. The growing parade of busts includes Keary Colbert, Shaun Cody, Mike Patterson, Mike Williams, Darnell Bing, Dominique Byrd, Frostee Rucker, Winston Justice, Reggie Bush (relative to his draft status and hype), and Dwayne Jarrett.
    As to Matt Leinart and LenDale White, the jury is still out, but might be coming back soon. There already are signs that football isn’t their top priority. Otherwise, White wouldn’t go blowfish in the offseason and Leinart would be exuding the demeanor of a guy who intends to be a starting NFL quarterback for a long time.
    Every player is different, but it could be that the same thing that attracts them to play in L.A. is the same thing that makes them more attracted to the perks of being a pro athlete than to doing whatever is necessary to be the best of the best in their profession.
     
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    not only that. USC players don't do well in the NFL. They have very little competition in PAC 10 play. Reggie Bush and Matt Leinhart aren't that great.
     
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    You have got to be joking me. Pac 10 is weak? Absolutely ridiculous.

    Matt Ryan and Chris Long play in a basketball conference. Top 5 teams beware!
     
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    Just going to post something similar. Rey Maualuga will be one of the most sought after players next year, the top LB going in to the draft IMO, and I think every team will love him. If they don't already.
     
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    Not going to comment on the draft issue itself.
    Defensively speaking, I think the Carroll/Sidwell defense was better than average though.
     
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    Only when Mcginnist ,Slade, Milloy and Law felt like playing...
     
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    I think this article is spot on. The Pats asking Cason whats the most important thing he had sacrificed to play football shows that they want smart, high character guys that love football first.

    I also think BB did not particularily care for the defensive system used at USC. However the last 2 years, USC started experimenting with 3 man lines in order to get all those talented LBers on the field (Cushings, Malulanga, Jackson, Williams and Rivers) Once that happened, BB started sniffing around and last year brought in Lua, probably to learn more about what USC was doing, scheming and teaching.
    I would not be surprised to see BB start a Southern California offseason retreat next season.

    Regardless, BB should be drooling at the chance to draft Cushings and Maluanga next season, if football is the most important thing in their lives.
     
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