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  1. mgteich

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    We've come a long way from when our starting corner was of KR or/and when our #3 RB or one of the top WR's was our PR.

    Has Belichick really come to the point where he will use TWO active roster positions for returners?

    Let's NOT make believe that Edelman is a real option as receiver, unless you are ready to cut BOTH Branch and Stallworth. Surely, they are not needed if Edelman is an effective 4th wide receiver, and 7th receiving target.
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    We'll see.
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    This is not really a valid question, MG. Why? Because neither guy is solely a ST's guy. Edelman is the principle back up at the slot receiver position and has other ST's assignments, and Demps will have some value down the road as a RB/change of pace guy..

    So I guess that's a long winded way of saying, NO, BB hasn't come to the point where he will use 2 active roster spots just for returners.
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    Last year BB went on record opining that the NFL is moving inexorably to eliminate the kick off play. But in 2012 it still exists albeit with markedly less opportunities for KRs than pre 2011. Demps is also looked at as a RB roll (sic) player.
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    Maybe so, if that's what keeping Edelman and Jenks means to you. I think that's oversimplifying the situation.

    Edelman can play three or four different roles on the team... maybe not all at a pro-bowl level, but he's not someone I chew my fingernails over (the idea of starting Gary Guyton was a cause for constant anxiety). In addition to KR, he could be #4 WR, #5 CB, #3 PR, #4 QB.

    Jenks may be able to play a role on 3rd down and perhaps in the slot. Also, maybe he can play gunner and play in coverage units... we wont know until we see him in camp.

    If they can both do a lot of things, then it takes pressure off in other places on the roster, and maybe we don't need to carry another specialist. Players like Tarp, Ihedibo, Cole, Woodhead and Branch have to be worried if they cant differentiate themselves.
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    I am just pointing out the reality. There is no reason to shoot the messenger. I think that in the end we will have both these players on the roster. This is an unfortunate situation. But we don't have anyone better. Belichick will live with it, but using two roster spots severely cramps the roster decisions. Which spots will be lose? 3rd TE? FB? 4th OT? Which of these position can Edelman fill?

    If Edelman is the 4th WR, we should cut both Stallworth and Branch. The 4th WR is not asked to play at the pro-bowl level. And yes, keeping Edelman may indeed us to cut a corner that we would rather keep.

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    I don't understand the constant obsession with retaining a pure fullback on the 53 man roster. It's not as if the New England Patriots offense had trouble scoring points the last two seasons.
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    It is not an obsession.

    1) We don't have a 4th OT.

    2) We don't have a 3rd blocking TE.

    3) After Josh came, we have signed TWO fullbacks, including one of his former players.

    I would much rather have a 4th OT, a 3rd blocking TE, and a 5th short yardage RB.
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    I rather keep Edelman than reserve a roster spot for a fullback.

    How many NFL teams have four quality offensive tackles?

    What is Daniel Fells?

    Subsequently, running backs Brandon Bolden and Jeff Demps have been added to the roster. Tony Fiammetta has been placed on the exempt list and Spencer Larsen can't even get on the practice field.

    Two out of three ain't bad. As for a short yardage running back, Brandon Bolden just may be the answer.
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    I'll give you Edelman is a waste, but Demps can be our Dexter Mccluster besides just KRs.
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    Why is everybody assuming that Demps, who's a late camp arrival and an UDFA, has a strong chance of making the Day 1 roster?
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    But they've had problems running the ball when they need to run the ball, when the other team is expecting the run. Belichick himself has said so recently how that needs to change.
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    Sounds like Dante Scarnecchia needs to roll up his sleeves and put the offensive line on notice.
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    So one fullback will make up for the lack of run blocking by the offensive line? Okay ....
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    Right, because that's what I said.

    Blocking fullbacks generally help the running game.

    The Patriots have had problems running the ball when they need to.

    The Patriots brought 3 fullbacks to training camp.

    The new OC usually employs a fullback.
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    Our OL is in tatters FOR THE MOMENT and, in addition to the fact that McDaniels seems to be seeking a slightly more balanced approach, we have a far more dynamic RB corps this year. Please tell me we're not complaining about how the run game looked last week because it was stellar despite NO passing attack and a decidedly lackluster performance by the rag-tag bunch of stiffs who were trying and failing to get it done last week.

    Mankins will be back soon. Odds are Waters will show in the another couple of weeks, and Vollmer will be off PUP any second now. The run game is NOT a concern -- at all.
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    Belichick has always liked the little guys buzzing around behind a big line and tight ends. It goes back to Dave Meggett with the SB champion NY Giants.

    I think the Five Wide will be replaced by the Five Smurfs against bigger slower defenses - Brady alone in the backfield with Welker, Edelman, Woodhead, Branch and Demps.

    I'd like to see the Jets safeties try to cover those little buggers zooming all over the place.

    Then you come back with Stallworth, LLoyd, Gronkowski, Hernandez and Holley.
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    If no one bothered to check...Edelman had a grand total of FOUR receptions in thirteen games last year. He isn't the 4th receiver, he's mainly a punt returner and a very good one. I'd keep him over Slater if I had to pick one of them.
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    Not only are they assuming that he makes the opening day roster, they are already backing bags for proven players.

    To answer the question though, I think his 3 yr deal solidifies the thinking that he'll be here. It's quite possible in my opinion that he will end up as the 5th RB and Brandon Bolden will be exposed to waivers in hopes of moving him to the PS. I honestly do not believe that Bolden makes the 53 man roster.

    On a serious (and somewhat embarrassing) note: I do not know the protocol for players who are exposed to the waivers system while trying to make it to the PS. Obviously, anyone has the right to swoop in and snag them, but is it possible that they can sweeten the pot for him in hopes of getting him to stay? In other words, does he have the right of refusal? And if so, could the NEP therefore almost guarantee him staying here? Is that along the lines of what they did last season for the DE/OLB hybrid that everyone was high on? (Can't remember his name) The one who made PS player of the week a couple of times.
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    I don't think you can compare the 2 players first of all, especially when Slater was a Pro-Bowl gunner last year and is an important part of ST.

    Second of all, I believe that Slater would probably make it over Edelman IF it came down to that anyway, but I see no reason for Belichick to need to make that call.
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    The problem with Holley is that he's as slow as a freaking snail.

    I remember needing the CBoys to score a TD in that OT game last year to cover (for entertainment purposes only of course) my wager, as the Cowboys were giving 4. As you know, it's extremely, extremely rare for a team to score a TD in OT so I figured I was screwed.

    When Holley caught that ball and started running down the field to daylight I immediately stood up and thought I had a good chance. He is so incredibly slow that he was gassed 1/2 way to the 20 yd line, and got pulled down pretty easily at the 2.

    I don't think he'd have made it anyway, even despite his slowness, but that only adds to the reason why he won't be on the 53 man roster. He picked the wrong year to compete for a WR slot on this team anyway ;)

    Gaffney provides an exceptional ability to be on the same page with TFB, and will instantly give our passing game an even bigger boost. We would have kept Gaffney all along had JMcD not become a coach of DEN and offered him 2 1/2 times what he was making here in N.England. They made him an offer that we couldn't really justify matching at the time, but it's great to have him back now.
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    No, If he is placed on waivers he has to go to the team that he is awarded to. The only other option would be to quit.

    Practice squad players have already cleared waivers and can sign with another team or refuse an offer and remain on the practice squad.
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    Thanks ACQB, I appreciate the response. That makes a lot of sense, as I must have been thinking of the underlined part of the sentence in regards with the player whom I had in mind from last year, although I still can't think of his freaking name. He was a hybrid who made PS POTW a couple/few times and they beefed up his contract/incentives to keep him here, only to cut him this past spring.

    I think Demps makes the 5th RB spot I guess. I can't see where else he'd fit. That makes the possibility of keeping a true FB more unlikely (IMO), and also even may affect the numbers on the o-line--especially if McDonald shows enough versatility to play interior and tackle. The possibility exists that the number there could be one less than expected, although I doubt it. I think the FB idea goes, especially with Fells now healthy, as I had originally figured him to be a PUP candidate.
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    Markell Carter and he is currently without a team so I don't know if it was the best move for him to refuse an offer to join another teams 53.
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    Yep, that's him alright. That's a shame that he isn't playing now, and that someone wanted him last year. Tough business.

    Brandon Bolden may be the 'new' Markell Carter of our practice squad, with exceptionally high hopes for this season and the next :cool:
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    I missed that detail.

    But doesn't Ebert or any other 7th round pick have a similar deal?

    I do agree that if you have a guy with world-class sprinter speed, who's already solid enough for football, that's an interesting package
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    Yeah I imagine that is quite a good point, re: other late rd picks. It's not like they broke the bank to pick him up, but there must've been something that lured him here, at least one would think.

    Believe me, I'm with you on the potential of Demps and the fact that I think too many assumptions are being made with him.
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