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  1. jczxohn1

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    I surveyed the 1st round selections of the sites listed on hailredskins-

    Def--of the 34, 24 predicted a def. player-----Off--only 8 sites' choice
    S-3; CB-8; LB-13; DE-1; HB-6; OT-1; WR-1

    S-3 sites thought Darnell Bing would fall to us.
    CB-3 sites thought Tye Hill, Clemson, would be #21
    ---2-Charles Gordon (CB,KR) of Kans.
    ---2-Ashton Youboty, THE Ohio State
    ---1-Andrew Comartie, Fla. St.
    LB-The biggest perceived need-
    ---4 sites picked Demeco Ryan at #21
    ---3-Chad Greenway, Iowa
    ---3-Abdul Hodge, Iowa
    ---1 ea.-Bobby Carpenter, THE Ohio St; (?) Jackson, Maryland;
    --------Manny Lawson, NC St.
    DE-1 vote for Tamba Hali, Penn St.


    HB-2 sites thought LenDale White would fall to #21(not likely, IMO)
    ---4 thought we would take Lawrence Maroney of Minn.
    OT-Eric Winstonof Tampa Bay (?) got a mention
    WR-Derrick Hagen of Ariz St did as well.

    My impressions-- Not very knowledgeable about college players, but I was surprised about the perceived neeed on D in the first round. Maybe more about value, esp. in the '05 LB class. Many on this board are interested in a high round choice at O-line, but the gurus don't seem to see the need for it, or don't believe BB will pull that trigger 2 yrs in a row. OTOH, any of the multiple picks would probably be capable of contributiing. It will be interesting to see what BB/Pioli do.

    Your comments?
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    http://www.nextlevelscoutinginc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=1

    Ashworth has proven his ability as a swing tackle and the Pats under BB aren't known for going out of pocket in a bidding war unless the player is dominating at their position. Assuming he is gone, the 2006 and 2007 rosters project an increased "need" to build depth at OT.

    2006: Light, Kaczur, Gorin, Britt, Krug, Mankins, Roehl (NFLE)
    2007: Light, Kaczur, Gorin, Mankins

    On top of that, G depth relates to T depth. Mankins is the most visible example, but Krug, Gorin, and Kaczur have all been considered as G options in previous discussions on OL flexibility.

    2006: Mankins, Hochstein, Kaczur, Yates (ERFA), Krug, Gorin, Steitz (NFLE)
    2007: Mankins, Gorin, Kaczur

    Drafting a first day OT builds depth in two areas on the OL.

    Possible day 1 "Patriot" (quicker, more mobile) Prospects (position relates to 'normal' college position):

    LT Eric Winston, 6-7 310-ish, Miami (see your question above)
    LT Jonathan Scott 6-7 310-ish, Texas
    LT Daryn Colledge, 6-5 300-ish, Boise State
    LT Andrew Whitworth, 6-7 325-ish, LSU (decent mobility for the extra size)
    LG Rob Sims, 6-4 310-ish, Ohio State (started LT in prior years)

    Winston is a probable first rounder with a bum wheel that will get lots of scrutiny as the end of April nears. The "value" arguments will get more interesting as supply and demand factors weigh in during the FA period.
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    #24 Jersey

    I think the best value might be at OT, where both Jonathan Scott and Marcus McNeil should be available. In that case, if we are looking at OTs, than a trade down 5 sport would be likely
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    Scott looked decent in the Senior Bowl at LT (he'll need TE/RB help against speed rushers in the pros), and good at RT. He would be okay for us with swing tackle capability. McNeil didn't impress me in the game, though there are different reports of his prowess in practice.
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    Another interesting quote from "nextlevelscouting"

    (quote)The shift of several coaches and coordinators throughout the league is also expected to help shift the draft attention of 4-5 more teams to select players that might fit full-time or at least part-time into 3-4 defensive scheme... NEW ORLEANS, ST. LOUIS, NY JETS could be just three teams that look to draft or sign a nose tackle, more versatile OLB’s and find a bigger, tougher ILB to solidify the middle of their new schemes…(quote)


    Looking to the future, BB-type players are going to be harder to come by. An adequate back-up for Wilfork and a young MLB are probably needed this year, but if a DE/OLB is available it wouldn't hurt to build up some depth there either in ths LB-heavy year.
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    How about Joe Toledo, 6'6" 310, Washington. Very raw -- spent only a year at tackle after converting from TE -- but one of the quickest, most mobile OLs in the draft.
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    Holy Toledo Batman! Gotta get this guy on the roster for his name alone!! :p
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    I know it--with Tedy Bruschi at linebacker and Joe Toledo at tackle, it would take a Bronko Nagurski to stop us.
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    That history helps mitigate his performance in the Shrine Game. I'd have no problem with him, but as raw as he is, he would be a better second day pick. John was asking about the preference of a number of posters for a first round tackle, my suggestions are for players who seem to have late first/early second value.

    This is what I have on my board so far for the second day:

    Jeromey Clary 6'7" 300 Kansas State Rd 4-UDFA Notes: RT, good pass blocking, decent run blocking

    Jabari Levey 6'6"-6'8" 312-318 South Carolina Rd 5-UDFA Notes: LT, best pass blocker in Shrine game, suspect run blocker

    Brad Butler 6'8" 290 Virginia Rd 5-UDFA Notes: RT/swing tackle

    Guy Wimper 6'4" 310 East Carolina Rd 5-UDFA Notes: LT/LG, could be a swing tackle/flex OL, good job in Hula Bowl

    Richard Collier 6'7" 345 Valdosta State Rd 5-UDFA Notes: RT, adjusted well to speed of 1-A & 1-AA players in Hula Bowl
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