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  1. mgcolby

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    Just curious what folks thought about our current deficit. A year ago at this time 456 Billion was terrible and Americans on both sides were outraged. Both Obama and John said they would curb spending.

    Now 7 months into the new administration that figured has tripled!!!

    I feel cheated!!!!
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    can't disagree with you on this ... it's disgusting.

    I just feel Obama is trying alternative medicine to try and cure a terminal illness. I don't see how it is going to work.

    Energy is the economy. Not printing presses.
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    Oil got us into this mess or should I say the speculators and all the jackasses that let them do it. So I can't disagree with you either.

    I just can't believe that the same outrage isn't there over our deficit tripling in less than 7 months. What do we have to show for it? A broke car company, ****ed up banks and the economy probably is where it would have been (or at least in the same ballpark) had we not done the bailout.

    Yet no uproar over it. Does it truly have to be an election year to get the douche bags to get off their couches and get pist?

    I think the cost of the Health Care plan or the true lack of known cost for the public option in the Health Care bill is part of the resistance. But I don't see it as a major driving force behind it. Which is a shame, IMO.
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    Let's all remember that the economy is now stabilizing due to a prompt injection of cash necessitated by the greatest economic collapse since the great depression. We made a choice and usually that's the right choice. Economists generally agree with the approach as well, and it appears to have worked.

    That said we can safely say that everybody opposes deficits. I certainly do. And our current situation is worsened by 40 years of deficit spending. That is the real problem. Once health care reform is no longer the top priority balancing the budget should be the next priority.
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    The is chump change the administration just raised their 'estimate' of the debt by another 2T more.

    Of course we should believe their 'estimates' on the cost of health care, after their utter failure to predict the deficit & the levels of unemployment.

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    apple, i have to disagree with you here.

    The economy isn't stabilizing at all. This is the calm before the storm. A mirage.

    As of just last week, the FDIC is bankrupt. ... Want more signs? 150 additional banks are about to collapse, our government is buying up its own treasuries (despite it lying to us that "demand is strong" for treasuries), unemployment is closer to 17% and rising, and... whaddya know? oil prices are going right back up...

    Optimism about a recovery starting to fizzle

    Observers expect stocks’ rally to end as economic reality starts to set in

    By John W. Schoen
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    updated 1:27 p.m. ET, Mon., Aug 17, 2009

    What happened to all the optimism?

    Less than a week ago, many people were celebrating the beginning of the recovery. The Federal Reserve itself claimed the economy is “leveling out.”

    Now some investors and market watchers say the stock market may have overestimated the prospects for an economic rebound — and share prices could be due for a bigger pullback after a 50 percent surge since March.​
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  7. mgcolby

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    Well there is a difference between projected and actual. I have been working with government budgets since I was 18 (not that I was making the budget, but working within them). And every year we seem to do a "five year projection" and the current year never seems to line up with the projection from the year before.

    Projections are a joke and are a waste of time. They spit out a number that is based on the current situation, with little to no room for wiggle. And on top of that how can anyone forecast a fluid situation that is massaged by unknown future events?

    When in your life has your situation not changed for a whole 5 years? Let a lone 10!

    Although if our government keeps spending trillions of dollars a year when it is only receiving billions....well then it doesn't take a mathematician to figure that out.
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    Golden Boy is running the show now so there won't be to much blubbering about it.

    He Has Such A Beautiful Smile
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    The deficit number is so bizarre and incomprehensible that I have a hard time picking one entity to blame so I'll blame them all, including many of my neighbors, friends and family for voting for Republicrats, borrowing way more than they could ever pay back. Meanwhile, we stood idly by while our government waged unnecessary wars to line the pockets of their friends, spent like a drunk, allowed corporations to export jobs, failed to renovate our energy policy, and set the Chinese up to rule this coming century.

    We're to blame for being lazy, afraid, obedient, stupid, and easily distracted.
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    1.6 trillion??? Try [highlight] 11 TRillion. [/highlight] That's Obama's bill to America so far. National debt hits record $11 trillion - Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

    $11 trillion US debt - Google Search

    But he travels well, his wife gets her $5000 hand bag and $600 sneakers, and they get to romp on the Vineyard with the Kennedys and Kerrys.

    And Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid just requisitioned several new ultra-luxury private jets for their weekend get-aways to the Caymans, Aspen, the Hamptons and other (undisclosed) locales.

    Ted Kennedy wants to appoint his own successor for when he dies.


    What a country.

    Learn Chinese, you're going to need it. Certainly your children will.

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    Obama is no different than Bush, Carter Regan Kennedy etc etc, they and all their ball-washing grinning lapdogs are nothing but a pack of lying scumbag politician Pigs.
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    What happened to Billy Blue Dress? :confused:


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    I thought we had a "surplus" spending during the Clinton years.


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    My daughter's taking Mandarin starting this year. Know why? Because she wants to be able to communicate and do business with 1/4 of the Earth's population...not because she's afraid of them. She recognizes that the world is becoming smaller, safer, and more interconnected. Xenophobia doesn't register in a junior high student. We do our best to raise her to be unafraid. She is afraid of spiders, though.
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    I forgot him..........:(
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    Spiders,
    They can be trouble, I was bitten by one a few years ago and had to have shots for it.
    Your daughter is right the world is changing faster as each day passes, these little phones amaze me with the things the kids do with them..........
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    No phone for my kids until they get to High school. They don't want them, anyways...they see how distracted I get with mine going off all the time. Last week I threw mine in a lake because I was on vacation and it kept taking voicemails. Some of these azzholes were calling me knowing that I was on vacations! WHO DOES THAT?
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    I think we're looking at an "L" shaped recovery. That's not good. At what point do we slash spending across the board, and institute some kind of policy, be it punitive, or rewarding, that entices companies to keep their work here at home? We're in desparate need of sensible, intelligent, experienced leadership, that isn't afraid to ruffle some feathers, and make difficult decisions. We don't have that on either side right now.
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    You're not really ruled by anyone here, so you don't have much say... You're an expatriate.
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    Dude, I go back and forth to the States all the time. I own property in the States, I have many interests in the States, probably more than you do. I am a U.S. citizen, and always will be. My passport is the US of A, and everybody sees me as American where ever I go. So drop the "expat" derision. It's yet another attempt at the marginalization m.o. on your part, which is not only untrue but offensive to boot.


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    Where are you expatriated to? Just curious.
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    #50 Jersey


    People who clearly think that their business is more important than your taking vacation. My only question to you is... Why did you take it with you? Why not leave it in the car? Or just turn it off.. It would have saved you $50-$100...
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    #50 Jersey

    I know of a few ways to help balance the budget..

    1) Get rid of the IRS, the income taxes, reduce or eliminate business taxes, all the wasted paper from the IRS forms, and set a flat sales tax of 19% on all "non-essentials". Essentials being food and non-luxury clothing.

    2) Limit the people in Congress to a $500K yearly budget. That $500K INCLUDES paying their staffers.

    3) Set a mandate that NO BILL be longer than 5 pages. (The bill, not the supporting documentation on why). They need to live by the KISS method.. A bill that the layman can't understand is one that is purposely written to defraud the citizens of this country, IMHO.

    4) Hold the damn Congressmen accountable for their screw ups. They bounce a check.. they pay a fine. And its taken right out of their next paycheck. They bounce a bunch, and they're gone..

    5) Close up the Department of Agriculture and/or eliminate the subsidies that they pay out.. Its about time farmers learned how to rotate their crops and not get penalized for it.
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    #50 Jersey

    Darryl - Do you realize that if Fogbuster wanted to, he could press charges against you? See, you've violated his privacy. Not only that, if a Mod here told you his name, then Fog has the right to go to Ian and have that Mod banned because the Mod has violated the TOS. On top of that, Personal Tax records are not public domain. So, whomever looked them up for you at the IRS also violated Fog's privacy. And they can be fired from their job and also arrested and imprisoned.

    Being an arrogant like you just did doesn't buy you any friends. In fact, in the end, it costs you friends and it can land you in jail.. Nice going. Great to see what an ammoralistic and hypocritical person you are.
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    We're buying our way out of severe recession, the same way Reagan bought his way out of one, the same way that FDR bought his way out of one. It's the only tested theory for dealing with severe economic downturns, and by most measures the one we're in now is the most serious one since the 1930s.

    A year ago, liberals were not particularly outraged about the deficit; we were outraged that Bush was cutting taxes (which was irresponsible) and deficit spending on projects that did not serve American interests, such as the Iraq war. Beyond that, liberals were pointing out the deficit to underscore the hypocrisy of conservatives.

    It's certainly not hypocritical of liberals to support big spending projects or taxes on the wealthy to pay for those projects. The hypocrisy resides with Republicans.
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    The isn't the most pretentious and over dramatic post this year, but certainly the last month.
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    :rolleyes:Pretty sad trying to use Reagan tojustify the vast expansion of government under Obama...
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    #87 Jersey

    We can turn the tide on the deficit by expanding the tax base ... plain and simple. Too few pay too much and everyone should pay something. Even if it's but 1% of their income ... if you use services you should pay and everyone should pay except the elderly and the handicapped.
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    I do have three attorneys, one in NH, another in New York, and a third in DC, who are keeping tabs on Darryl's antics. Should it go too far, appropriate measures are in place to deal with the situation, you can rest assured. I'm trying to keep things in a civil man-to-man basis, but if that proves fruitless, legal steps will be the only recourse.



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    You have no clue what you are talking about here.. but thanks for the advice will take it under advisement.. you continue to make assumptions based on a few threads.. in reality he has exposed himself and his personal situation time and time again... all the while making comments about posters mothers swimming to troop ships for "gang bangs" and syphilis... or about posters alleged drug or alcohol, all the while wishing the swift sword of the religious justice will reign down on those who confront his lies or point out his inconsistencies.. see the thread on Wm. Calley.

    Here is a factoid for you, a married expatriot couple can exempt 175K from federal income tax if living abroad, missionaries do not make 175K per couple... it ain't that hard.

    You seem somewhat intelligent, and know better... you are bringing in mods and making assumptions about information being disclosed, while in fact all of this could be a big smokescreen.. guess you are not much of a poker player.
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