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What happens to Matt Cassel?

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  1. Remains a Patriot under the franchise tag

    7.1%
  2. Remains a Patriot, signs a multi-year deal

    7.1%
  3. Franchised and traded, Pats getting at least a first

    62.2%
  4. Franchised and traded, Pats don't get a first

    19.4%
  5. Leaves as a UFA

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  1. ctpatsfan77

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    Figured it's worth asking here.

    FWIW, on Moron & Moron in the Morning, they both think the Pats will probably franchise and keep Cassel.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    There's nothing wrong with keeping Cassel for a year and guaranteeing we have a good QB next year. I'd certainly trade him, though, and get something good for him. Just like I would have F&Ted Assante as opposed to having him for one year then losing him for a comp pick.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    If Brady is PUP'd or worse, you have to keep Cassel unless you have faith in O'C after one year. The problem is you can forget about FA. You'll need to have a monster draft.

    My guess is they will give O'C a try and sign a vet in FA. Get value for Cassel today. IMO it will never be higher then it is now.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    Helping our cause is the senior QB at the Senior Bowl have been as horrible as expected. With juniors being more risky than the already high risk average young QB, Cassel should be amazingly attractive. There is no depth to this QB class at all and even the top two have their own serious questions.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    I doubt Brady will be PUPed but we can sign a veteran like Jeff Garcia just in case. There was less need last year as Brady had never been hurt. Garcia and O'Connell would be OK while we wait if it means getting some good picks. Keeping Cassel in that scenario would be OK too but in no way would they HAVE TO keep him.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    So many Cassel threads I don't know where to put this. I'll put it here. This is from a guy at the Senior Bowl, he's been around for a while and is legit (as in he's not making stuff up, not that everything he says happens).

    "--the market for Matt Cassel is higher than you probably think. Like a first this year and a 2nd next year high, and you'd better believe the Pats will get it if they want."

    That was a day after this (which, I believe, is related to the value above) :

    "Overheard right at the end of practice, don’t know who said it: “What a sh***y year to need a quarterback.” That drew lots of affirmative laughs and nods, including ones from Lions GM Martin Mayhew and Redskins coach Jim Zorn."

    http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=872633
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    Source? :)

    [And, BTW, do you think anyone outside New England really wants to see the Pats with six picks in the first three rounds of this year's draft? :D]
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    Cassel's stock is high, and the weak QB class in the draft helps the cause. I would say anything after the middle of the first round.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    The source is in the link, the poster named Icness is Jeff Risdon, all his articles are here :

    RealGM Football: Encroachment Archives
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    I don't see the Pats keeping Cassel. I still think concerns about Brady may be overstated by Curran. I also think Cassel will never be more valuable in a trade and the Pats can get far more value then they will ever get. You don't pass up a potentially high first round and another high pick on maybes.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    Cassel's value is no doubt at it's highest right now, at least as for as the Patriots are concerned. I would like to see him dealt for a first rounder at least, so we may build our defense. I would also be content seeing a vet signed to back O'C if for some reason Tom has to sit out the season. Perhaps a Kerry Collins or Jeff Garcia. One year deal or so
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    Excellent read. Thanks for the post.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    If we trade MC for a higher pick, who would we even be looking at?

    Obviously the defense is getting a rebuild in the off season, I don't think you are going to get too many people disagreeing with that... Any names coming out this year that are a must in the top 10 or 15? I would have really loved to see Lauriniaitis in New England, but I don't see that happening.

    So who is really worth picking up so early in this draft?
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    I do! I do! :D



    BTW: from the posted link:

    Cassel having a strong sense of the pace of the NFL and facing real NFL teams is going to keep giving him an edge. I think he's the first QB to go in the draft (so to speak).
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?


    I live in Maryland, and that's outside NE and I really want to see the Pats with 6 in the 1st 3...:D
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    OK. . . . "other than Patriots fans." :)
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?


    Problem is....IF Brady can't go.....and Cassel plays next year and does not do well.....his trade value is gone........I see us trading him while his value is at its highest point.....Now, as to whether he would fetch a 1st rounder.....we will have to wait and see....I don't see it.....
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    This thread is over half a day old and nobody's mentioned that the date on the title is last year's?
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    It is a rough transition for me I still sign half of my crap at work as 08 but good eye. I would agree that we need to trade Cassel while his value is at it highest and like Jeff Garcia as a Vet we could pick up to work as a backup. Matt Schaub was worth a flip flop in the first round between the 8th and 10th pick plus a second rounder and another second the fallowing year. Schaub had two starts (one against us where he threw for almost 300 yards and 3TD's) but did not have the resume Matt Cassel has after this season. I think best case scenario we get a first and a third rounder this year with a conditional pick in 2010 depending how Cassel does. I really like SF at # 10 but I think that it will be the Vikings.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    :mad: :eek: :(
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    I'd like to see him franchised and brought to camp to compete for the starting job. If Brady's back to his old self (his targeting should be rock solid fairly quickly) then you can trade him for a player(s) that camp might be leaving you thinking you don't have (like a draftee LB looks shaky but one can be had via trade).

    There's good logic in measuring the two against each other as they are in '09. Probably better than an extra draft pick.
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    That would be called "selling low," especially if the market for Cassel is as high as it appears to be.
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    It would also be called positive risk management, which is more valuable in my opinion. Plus, a proven player over an untested rookie is also positive risk management.

    Also, this "selling low" business is a bit lazy, considering it doesn't look at the bare-bones facts that it's turned a 7th round draft pick into a winning season, a solid insurance policy and a trade chip for at least a high quality player.
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    i just see a problem in letting a very good QB leave when we have an unsettled QB. it was a terrible injury and may be difficult to overcome. we have great insurance, and if we have to lose another player to keep MC for a year to make sure TB is ok, its a no brainer
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    I don't have a problem with keeping Cassel if Brady's 2009 is in serious doubt. However it's not what I expect because :

    - I don't think Brady's 2009 is in serious doubt.

    - I think Jeff Garcia (or similar) would get us through (part or all of) the season should Brady be out and O'Connell not be ready.

    - If we can really get a #1+ for Cassel it's just too much to turn down IMO.

    I think a guy like Garcia could do much of what Cassel did for us last year. A team that needs a long term solution is better off trading for Cassel but a team like us that might need a short term solution is better of trading Cassel and having the almost done vet.
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    i think a lot of times, people here are saying, "oh, 75% of Brady is better than X% of Y player." the problem is, 1, youll never know until Brady gets on the field and starts gettin hit. and 2, you dont know his mindset. it would have to change i think. i do believe he is very resilient and if anyone can come back, but you really never know.
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    Fair enough on the "selling low." Here's a stronger argument for trading for picks in 2009, or especially in 2010: if the Patriots are as good as we think they are/will be, they will have a hard time signing UFAs in 2010, making high draft picks all the more important.
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    Re: 1/23/08: What happens to Matt?

    Completely agree. Ridiculous to wait. Sell high.
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    Assuming that Cassel is franchised and that the Pats braintrust feel Brady is good to go for next season:

    I believe that after being tagged, and prior to Cassel signing said tag, Cassel's agent gets busy and secures a mutually agreeable contract with a team interested in acquiring the services of Cassel. The agent brings this contract back to the Pats in order to see if they wish to match it. The Pats decline to do so and, in return for not doing so, secure draft pick compensation from that team, in the form of a 1st round pick this year as well as a 1st next year.

    I see Cassel playing for one of either the Niners, Texans, Jets, Bucs, Lions, Vikes, or Titans next year. Jets less likely due to their sal cap woes. I suppose it's also possible that the Rams, Chiefs, Seahawks or Jags could also factor in though I think the only way they'd get involved is if they traded down from atop their early perch in the 1st round in advance of the draft.

    Obviously I am presuming that those teams I list as potential participants have a 1st round selection this and next year at the time of this transpiring.
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    What would you all think if Cassell were traded together with our #1 for KC's 1st and 2nd rounder?
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