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It's not relevant here because both teams have had the same quarterback for the last two years, and the Jets have advanced further both times. So the reality that Brady is better than Sanchez really hasn't been all that important.

I think there's a big psychological difference going forward into the 2011 season, yes. The Jets have won four playoff games in the last two years, all on the road. The Patriots haven't won any. Sure, they got the bye, so they can say that they made it to the divisional round, but they didn't...

You asked one question that has nothing to do with anything. What else do you have? How about some real debate instead of a my-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad argument? Brady is better than Mark Sanchez. Everyone knows that. He's been better than Mark Sanchez every time the teams have played, but...

Not so much that as the fact that they haven't won a playoff game since. Beats what the patriots have managed since 2007. The air of invincibility is gone.

It's all ad hominem, albeit thinly disguised.

It was three, not four. The point still stands: your team has a problem in the playoffs.

Yeah, forgive me: I think there's a small distinction to be made between what happened in January of this year and what happened in 2001-2004. My bad. Does anyone have any objective argument or is this all ad hominem nonsense?

Those losses are recent. Their Super Bowl rings are not.

It's a pointless and, frankly, rather puerile discussion. Sorry.

That's true. One of them was a humiliating loss in the Super Bowl. I hate to break it to you, buddy, but the Patriots have lost their last four playoff games. No one can take away the rings that they've won, but they're starting to fade into the past. And Brady knows it. That's why, by his own...

Ok, let me get this straight. You're in a thread dedicated to what is said by Jets fans on a Jets forum, but you're wondering what I'm doing here?

Right, but here's the thing: the Patriots have had the best quarterback for at least two years running, and they haven't won any playoff games in that span. In fact, Brady's lost his last three.

You're right: the Boston riots actually included a much larger sample size and are thus far more likely to be representative than "select audiences" from two small online forums.

Who cares? What does this have to do with anything? Even if someone were to postulate that Sanchez is the worst quarterback in NFL history and that Brady is the best, the fact remains that the Jets have gotten further the last two years with Sanchez than the Patriots have with Brady. The goal...

I think you need to figure out what a straw man is first. Boston fans rioted after the 2004 and 2007 World Series. In fact, a woman died in the 2004 riot. So please don't pretend you have any moral high ground here.

That's not a homophobic remark; it's a generic pejorative. It's 2011. Besides, I used to live in Massachusetts in the mid-late 80s. I heard worse things there than anywhere else. Why don't you do it?

For a team that's supposedly not any good, you sure pay a lot of attention to them---I mean, not enough attention to have any idea what you're talking about or be able to spell their players' names correctly, but still a lot of attention.

Did you think they'd make it last year? What about the year before that?

Trevor Pryce had four tackles for the Jets last year. Shaun Ellis had one sack in the final 10 games.