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A couple tricky road environments - Philly, Oakland, Denver . . . .

of course Butler is still . . . .

congratulations. This is a guy about whom I was completely 100% wrong. I thought he would forever be Sedrick Shaw ( 2 yards and a cloud of dust). Instead, he could very well become the second best every down back of the Belichick era.

not even in the backfield? WTF?

The relatively heavy use of Morris: 1.) doesn't bode well for Benny, and 2.) makes me concerned about Woody's condition.

Re: BB statement Well then, I guess I'm recanting my "Hey Bill - go F-- yourself" from earlier. The hurt and disappointment lingers however.

Re: The official: Jumping off the bandwagon thread. How about "disgusted with the arrogance of the Patriots AND the politics of the NFL so I'm going to stop supporting any of the NFL's product for a while." Does that make me a bandwagon jumper, huh, does it?

OK Bagdhad Bob. Really, you're gonna stick with this?

Two words Bill: PROFESSIONAL HELP. Three more words IF you pull the whole "it is what it is routine" in your press conferences and don't offer a heartfelt apology: GO F--K YOURSELF.

I guess I was just a day too early with this thread. I am really beginning to hate Bill Belichick for being such a screwed-up a--hole. That's it, we have an asterisk next to our accomplishments now, wonderful.

Instead of relying on you for support I'll focus on the several in this thread that understand my point, and on those who disagree respectfully. Thanks.

Best counterpoint I've seen in this entire thread. I hope you're right.

Naaah, that would be the Raiders.

Other than the last 2 lines, I think all of this makes sense. Why give people material, especially when it's unnecessary?

No, I want the best coach in the business to stop doing things that are stupid, unnecessary, cause a distraction, and make him look like some Nixonian paranoid fool.

It doesn't change the fact that the manner in which this viodetaping was done was clumsy, stupid, and idiotic. You wanna cheat then cheat, but be a little smarter about it and don't give material to those columnists, opposing teams and league insiders that hate you.

People are getting way too defensive here. This deserved its own thread because of the Hobbs quote. However, I read his quote differently. I don't see this affecting the locker room negatively. I do see it galvanizing the haters, so I get reminder yet again that this team has had the...

Believe me, on every other team's message board I belong to, I'm posting all of the sarcastic responses that are suitable for a ridiculous story such as this one. But the more of a non-issue this is, the more stupid of a move it is, in my opinion.

I agree with you. That's my frigging point. And by the way, nearly ALL of the so-called "cheating" examples fit that category. But WHY give the haters the material? It's stupid.

Yeah well I've found a lot of Charger fans to be great. It's some of the actual team members that are the problem.