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Crazy Patriot Guy 08-27-2012 08:48 PM

The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
I posted about this in the Gaffney thread but it could apply to other cuts going forward. It's not all about setting the 53 player roster. You have to look at who's going to play on gameday.

Core special teamers will be active every game, barring injury. So if you have a guy that isn't playing special teams, he better be high enough on the depth chart that he's worth keeping.

In the case of Gaffney, it's not that he isn't a better WR than Edelman or Slater, it's simply that because of their special teams responsibilities, they're going to be active every week. With Lloyd, Welker and Branch, that's 5 WRs. With the multiple TE sets we like to use, you could argue that Branch might be inactive some weeks.

Quality depth is great and it's nice to have insurance in case of injuries. But it's tough to keep a WR (or any position player) in his 30s that might never play except for injuries over a developmental player that could pay off down the road.

mgteich 08-27-2012 08:54 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
I think that you have this right. Now Ebert and Holly will compete for the developmental receiver that will always be inactive, if we even have such a position.

ATippett56 08-27-2012 09:08 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Patriot Guy (Post 3119096)
Quality depth is great and it's nice to have insurance in case of injuries. But it's tough to keep a WR (or any position player) in his 30s that might never play except for injuries over a developmental player that could pay off down the road.

I thought the practice squad was the venue for developmental players:

Ebert
Forston
Francis
Kettani
Taylor
Williams

Plus a couple of offensive lineman for Dante Scarnecchia.

Crazy Patriot Guy 08-27-2012 09:38 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ATippett56 (Post 3119111)
I thought the practice squad was the venue for developmental players:

Ebert
Forston
Francis
Kettani
Taylor
Williams

Plus a couple of offensive lineman for Dante Scarnecchia.

If those players clear waivers. Players such as Ted Larson, Lee Smith and Will Yeatman prove that it isn't a guarantee.

ATippett56 08-27-2012 09:48 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Patriot Guy (Post 3119136)
If those players clear waivers. Players such as Ted Larson, Lee Smith and Will Yeatman prove that it isn't a guarantee.

I have accounted for 25 players on the New England Patriots offense:

QB - 3 Brady, Mallett, Hoyer
RB - 5 Woodhead, Vereen, Ridley, Bolden, Demps
TE - 3 Gronkowski, Hernandez, Fells
WR - 5 Welker, Lloyd, Branch, Edelman, Slater
OL - 9 Koppen, Connelly, Wendell, McDonald, Mankins, Thomas, Solder, Vollmer, Cannon

Based upon the aforementioned offensive squad, there is no room for the following players:

Ebert
Kettani
Taylor

rookBoston 08-27-2012 09:54 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ATippett56 (Post 3119151)
I have accounted for 25 players on the New England Patriots offense:

QB - 3 Brady, Mallett, Hoyer
RB - 5 Woodhead, Vereen, Ridley, Bolden, Demps
TE - 3 Gronkowski, Hernandez, Fells
WR - 5 Welker, Lloyd, Branch, Edelman, Slater
OL - 9 Koppen, Connelly, Wendell, McDonald, Mankins, Thomas, Solder, Vollmer, Cannon

Based upon the aforementioned offensive squad, there is no room for the following players:

Ebert
Kettani
Taylor

I think this is right. But Demps still needs to beat Ebert out. Dropping Larsen, Gaffney and Stallworth makes Bolden look like a keeper.

ATippett56 08-27-2012 09:56 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
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Originally Posted by rookBoston (Post 3119153)
I think this is right. But Demps still needs to beat Ebert out. Dropping Larsen, Gaffney and Stallworth makes Bolden look like a keeper.

No way in hell Jeff Demps clears waivers. Ebert has been disappointing in pre-season so far.

patsfan13 08-27-2012 10:56 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ATippett56 (Post 3119151)
I have accounted for 25 players on the New England Patriots offense:

QB - 3 Brady, Mallett, Hoyer
RB - 5 Woodhead, Vereen, Ridley, Bolden, Demps
TE - 3 Gronkowski, Hernandez, Fells
WR - 5 Welker, Lloyd, Branch, Edelman, Slater
OL - 9 Koppen, Connelly, Wendell, McDonald, Mankins, Thomas, Solder, Vollmer, Cannon

Based upon the aforementioned offensive squad, there is no room for the following players:

Ebert
Kettani
Taylor


I have wondered if BB decides to keep 2 QB's if he thinks Mallett has progressed enough, we would keep Shinacoe (assuming his injury isn't too bad), we cut loose the vets who were injured/didn't project to the 5 to give them a shot to catch on. We didn't do that with Shinacoe.

I was thinking 25 on D also with the 2 Specialist to round out the roster.

ATippett56 08-27-2012 11:00 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patsfan13 (Post 3119214)
I have wondered if BB decides to keep 2 QB's if he thinks Mallett has progressed enough, we would keep Shinacoe (assuming his injury isn't too bad), we cut loose the vets who were injured/didn't project to the 5 to give them a shot to catch on. We didn't do that with Shinacoe.

I was thinking 25 on D also with the 2 Specialist to round out the roster.

No offense, I just don't understand the fascination with Shiancoe on the PatsFans message board. The tight end has done nothing whatsoever in training camp let alone play one pre-season game.

I personally would have cut Shiancoe and kept Gaffney.

Crazy Patriot Guy 08-27-2012 11:19 PM

Re: The 46 player active roster matters on cuts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ATippett56 (Post 3119222)
No offense, I just don't understand the fascination with Shiancoe on the PatsFans message board. The tight end has done nothing whatsoever in training camp let alone play one pre-season game.

I personally would have cut Shiancoe and kept Gaffney.

To be fair, Gaffney hasn't practiced recently and had 2 catches for 18 yards in the only game he played in. It's not as if he set the world on fire either.


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