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rookBoston 04-04-2012 11:27 PM

Double Drafting
 
Read this about the Patriot's trend/strategy around double drafting at the same position, and see what you think -

Draft Strategy: Double Drafting | NFL Draft Hub

Not mentioned in the article was that Mayo and Guyton were rookies in the same year. Guyton was UDFA, but the rookie experience was the same. I think there is something important in the idea of two rookies learning the playbook together. Changes the dynamic with their coaches, changes how they can observe other people make mistakes and learn from that, too. I think BB is a brilliant teacher, as much as anything else, and I do believe he thinks about these things.

Also, I think Vereen practices harder knowing that he and Ridley have an equal shot at a starting nod. Gronkowski and Hernandez have been a home run for how two guys at the same position can come in and feed off each other's success.

I posted a mock draft that had us picking Nick Perry (27), Andre Branch (31), Shae McClellin (48) and Vinny Curry (63) with our first four picks. That may be taking the idea a bit too far, but here's what I'd say about to the positive: I can promise that our game play at OLB would be MUCH better... and I don't even know which of those guys would get the credit. Our STs would be deeper and more explosive. And a long time roster weakness suddenly becomes a position of youth and incredible upside. Those four guys feeding off each other every day in practice, swapping notes on dropping a shoulder or reading a screen pass.

Maybe all four guys is too much. Let's cut it back to just Andre Branch (27) and Shae McClellin (31). Tie them in with Ninkovich and Cunningham, and have them duke it out for starting snaps.

captain stone 04-05-2012 01:34 PM

Re: Double Drafting
 
Pass-Rushers! Times 2 (or 3, or 4...)!

If Bill doesn't double-up on that position this year, then there's no hope for him, or us.

fester 04-05-2012 03:06 PM

Re: Double Drafting
 
2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain stone (Post 3009747)
Pass-Rushers! Times 2 (or 3, or 4...)!

If Bill doesn't double-up on that position this year, then there's no hope for him, or us.

2010
Quote:

Originally Posted by captain stone (Post 3009747)
Pass-Rushers! Times 2 (or 3, or 4...)!

If Bill doesn't double-up on that position this year, then there's no hope for him, or us.

2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain stone (Post 3009747)
Pass-Rushers! Times 2 (or 3, or 4...)!

If Bill doesn't double-up on that position this year, then there's no hope for him, or us.

2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain stone (Post 3009747)
Pass-Rushers! Times 2 (or 3, or 4...)!

If Bill doesn't double-up on that position this year, then there's no hope for him, or us.

You've been repeating this mantra on this board for as long as I remember seeing you on the board. Doesn't it get tired to not be listened to by an obvious incompetent who only manages to field play-off teams almost every year despite not listening to you.

WhiZa 04-05-2012 07:57 PM

Re: Double Drafting
 
I could see him doing a double dip on a position of significant need. Like RB last year. Right now we have a bigger need at safety then we do at OLB. Maybe 2 safeties in the 2nd round?

rookBoston 04-05-2012 08:02 PM

Re: Double Drafting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiZa (Post 3010051)
I could see him doing a double dip on a position of significant need. Like RB last year. Right now we have a bigger need at safety then we do at OLB. Maybe 2 safeties in the 2nd round?

I could buy that. But if he's shooting for the secondary, the better bet is double down at CB. Physical CB talent (the only kind BB is likely to draft) can still shift into a FS role without too much trouble. CB is scarcer find.

What about drafting Devon Still and Jerell Worthy? That would be a shot in the arm, too.

BelichickFan 04-05-2012 08:07 PM

Re: Double Drafting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rookBoston (Post 3010056)
I could buy that. But if he's shooting for the secondary, the better bet is double down at CB. Physical CB talent (the only kind BB is likely to draft) can still shift into a FS role without too much trouble. CB is scarcer find.

What about drafting Devon Still and Jerell Worthy? That would be a shot in the arm, too.

I have Kendall Reyes and Chandler Jones in the first round right now. Not that I love that but other than Vince our DL sucks. S U C K S.

Nanne will help, Love and Deaderick are OK. But that's what we have.

:bricks:

My hope is Reyes could become a decent 5 technique who can do some pass rushing on 3rd down and Jones could be a RDE similar to what Carter was last year (same size, both small but physical enough to be OK against the run and athletic enough to rush the passer).

I then have double LB in 2&3 with Wagner and Irvin. Throw in Smith with the other 2 and Marvin Jones in the 4th and there's my draft.

Avenger 04-07-2012 02:06 AM

Re: Double Drafting
 
I've edited this a few times, I'm pretty sure all the pick #s are right now, kind of takes the double dip to the max.

23. Dont’a Hightower, LB, Alabama (From DET)
27. Sent to DET with pick 31 for picks #23, 54, 87, 222, 242
31. See above
48. Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
54. Vinny Curry, DE/OLB, Marshall (From DET)
62. Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, West Virginia
85. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt (From DET)
93. Trenton Robinson, FS, Michigan State
126. David Molk, C, Michigan
222. Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State(From SEA via DET)
242. Jaymes Brooks, OG, Virginia Tech (From NYG via DET)

BritPat 04-07-2012 03:06 AM

Re: Double Drafting
 
In terms of double drafting, BB has been doing it for a while - but not in the way you think. He's actually drafted at least two players from the same school 8 times in the last 12 years:

2001 - Brock Williams, Jabari Holloway - Notre Dame.
2002 - Rohan Davey, Jarvis Green - LSU.
2003 - Ty Warren, Bethel Johnson - Texas A&M.
2005 - Logan Mankins, James Sanders - Fresno State.
2006 - Chad Jackson, Jeremy Mincey - Florida.
2008 - Brandon Meriweather, Kareem Brown - Miami.
2010 - Brandon Spikes, Jermaine Cunningham, Aaron Hernandez - Florida.
2011 - Marcus Cannon, Malcolm Williams - TCU.

WhiZa 04-07-2012 06:00 AM

Re: Double Drafting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BritPat (Post 3010807)
In terms of double drafting, BB has been doing it for a while - but not in the way you think. He's actually drafted at least two players from the same school 8 times in the last 12 years:

2001 - Brock Williams, Jabari Holloway - Notre Dame.
2002 - Rohan Davey, Jarvis Green - LSU.
2003 - Ty Warren, Bethel Johnson - Texas A&M.
2005 - Logan Mankins, James Sanders - Fresno State.
2006 - Chad Jackson, Jeremy Mincey - Florida.
2008 - Brandon Meriweather, Kareem Brown - Miami.
2010 - Brandon Spikes, Jermaine Cunningham, Aaron Hernandez - Florida.
2011 - Marcus Cannon, Malcolm Williams - TCU.

Makes me wonder how this aligns with his proday visits. I know his was in Florida in 2010

WhiZa 04-07-2012 06:02 AM

Re: Double Drafting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rookBoston (Post 3010056)
I could buy that. But if he's shooting for the secondary, the better bet is double down at CB. Physical CB talent (the only kind BB is likely to draft) can still shift into a FS role without too much trouble. CB is scarcer find.

What about drafting Devon Still and Jerell Worthy? That would be a shot in the arm, too.

I was looking at Safeties and found a lot of them played CB in college. It would be interesting to know which S can play CB and vice versa in this years draft. We know that was a selling point for drafting Meriweather


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