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Ian 02-06-2012 12:52 PM

12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
I was just reading an article on that play and it's bizarre that you can have 12 men on defense with the game on the line, and it only costs you 5 yards while the other team (the Patriots) still loses every second despite the penalty. Doesn't make much sense. :rolleyes:

billdog3484 02-06-2012 12:55 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
yah smart move by giants. nfl needs to tweak the rule and allow teams to put time back on the clock that was lost on the play. thats all

stevedogc 02-06-2012 12:58 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
I thought the same thing after the penalty. If I were the Giants I would have sent out 12 players again. If you have 80 yards to go in under a minute, Id pass up 5 yards for 10 seconds off the clock.

Armchair Bronco 02-06-2012 12:58 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
My teenage son picked up on this, too. The NFL needs to address this big time.

He said: "Hey, Dad! They had 12 guys on the field but the Pats still lost 5 seconds! So every defensive team should just have 12 or 13 guys on the field for every Hail Mary play until the clock runs out!"

Smart kid, my son.

PatsFanSince74 02-06-2012 01:00 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
Yeah, this definitely exposed a flaw in the rules, like the Immaculate Reception and whoever fumbled the ball forward towards the goal line with the game clock running down a few decades ago.

Armchair Bronco 02-06-2012 01:00 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
The solution is to put EXTRA TIME BACK ON THE CLOCK if the defense has too many men on the field inside of 2 minutes. Maybe 8 to 10 seconds minimum, or more if the play took longer than that to develop.

A.C Vegas 02-06-2012 01:02 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
I think the easiest way to address it is this like an offensive penalty has a run off if a defensive penalty if accepted the clock should be put back to what the clock said when the ball was snapped I thought of that last night too and I am shocked this as not come up before

Armchair Bronco 02-06-2012 01:03 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFanSince74 (Post 2953196)
Yeah, this definitely exposed a flaw in the rules, like the Immaculate Reception and whoever fumbled the ball forward towards the goal line with the game clock running down a few decades ago.

That was the infamous "Holy Roller" play. Oakland vs. San Diego with Ken Stabler, Fred Biletnikoff , Dave Casper, and about half of the rest of the Raider team.

The famous Holy Roller game (Raiders at Chargers - 1978 season) - YouTube

My friends and I used to re-create that play when we played touch football out in the greenbelt as kids. We always got a laugh, that play was hilarious. And a typical example of the Raiders cheating their way to victory well before the era of instant replay.

Armchair Bronco 02-06-2012 01:05 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by A.C Vegas (Post 2953205)
I think the easiest way to address it is this like an offensive penalty has a run off if a defensive penalty if accepted the clock should be put back to what the clock said when the ball was snapped I thought of that last night too and I am shocked this as not come up before

I think the penalty against the defense needs to be more punitive than that. Otherwise, teams might still put 12 guys back there hoping to tire out the WR's and TE's or maybe get someone injured.

sambam94 02-06-2012 01:06 PM

Re: 12 Men on the Field on the 1st Hail Mary - Needs to be addressed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco (Post 2953193)
My teenage son picked up on this, too. The NFL needs to address this big time.

He said: "Hey, Dad! They had 12 guys on the field but the Pats still lost 5 seconds! So every defensive team should just have 12 or 13 guys on the field for every Hail Mary play until the clock runs out!"

Smart kid, my son.

game can't end on defensive penalty...so the Giants could not keep 12 guys on the field.


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