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jays52 01-27-2012 12:03 PM

(Fore)Telling Statistic
 
It's no secret that the most impactful FA acquisition since Randy Moss has been playing lights out. According to Pro Football Focus, Brian waters has allowed a whopping total of 12 pressures in the entire season. Further, he did not allow a single pressure in seven of 18 total games he has played this season. With the majority of Superbowl hype coming down to the Patriots O Line vs the Giants D Line this is a major...well, story line.

There is a lot of concern regarding this matchup, and somewhat rightfully so, but the Giants defense doesn't scare me. I think part of this concern is from the game that shall not be named, but in this game the Patriots are playing with the best offensive line they have ever assembled. Pass rush gets a lot of hype, as do pressure defenses. Make no mistake, pressure defenses are highly effective against passing offenses but they have one fatal flaw. If you get them blocked, you will eat them alive. The Giants are a little unique in that they get there with less players and place more defenders in coverage, but they don't have the personnel in back of the D-Line that other great defenses have. Be it the 46, The Rex Ryan 34, or The Dick LeBeau zone blitz, all pressure defenses are easily carved if you can block them. When your biggest concern is maybe getting Logan Mankins a little help you are in a very nice place. In 2007, the Giants D matched up against the Patriots O better than any. In 2011, the Patriots O matches up against the Giants D better than any.

The biggest concern is not the line vs line, it is how the Patriots will play the slot corner. More on that later, though.

ctpatsfan77 01-27-2012 12:06 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jays52 (Post 2931409)
According to Pro Football Focus

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cavtroop 01-27-2012 12:06 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jays52 (Post 2931409)
.... When your biggest concern is maybe getting Logan Mankins a little help ...

Im more worried about our RT situation than I am Mankins.

makoute 01-27-2012 12:10 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jays52 (Post 2931409)
It's no secret that the most impactful FA acquisition since Randy Moss has been playing lights out. According to Pro Football Focus, Brian waters has allowed a whopping total of 12 pressures in the entire season. Further, he did not allow a single pressure in seven of 18 total games he has played this season. With the majority of Superbowl hype coming down to the Patriots O Line vs the Giants D Line this is a major...well, story line.

There is a lot of concern regarding this matchup, and somewhat rightfully so, but the Giants defense doesn't scare me. I think part of this concern is from the game that shall not be named, but in this game the Patriots are playing with the best offensive line they have ever assembled. Pass rush gets a lot of hype, as do pressure defenses. Make no mistake, pressure defenses are highly effective against passing offenses but they have one fatal flaw. If you get them blocked, you will eat them alive. The Giants are a little unique in that they get there with less players and place more defenders in coverage, but they don't have the personnel in back of the D-Line that other great defenses have. Be it the 46, The Rex Ryan 34, or The Dick LeBeau zone blitz, all pressure defenses are easily carved if you can block them. When your biggest concern is maybe getting Logan Mankins a little help you are in a very nice place. In 2007, the Giants D matched up against the Patriots O better than any. In 2011, the Patriots O matches up against the Giants D better than any.

The biggest concern is not the line vs line, it is how the Patriots will play the slot corner. More on that later, though.

That was the case in the game that shall not be named. The problem was actually blocking them. They actually might have been worse at the back of their defense in that game.

Gronkandez 01-27-2012 12:14 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
Someone is going to comment that Randy Moss wasn't a FA, and that he was acquired in a trade....

Now that we have that out of the way, those are nice stats regarding B. Waters (despite the credibility of the source.) I'm hoping Solder cleans up his mistakes from last week.

After watching the Ravens tape I feel confident about the Pats rush which will help the seconday, however the pass defense is still my biggest concern.

Patspsycho 01-27-2012 12:15 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
Looking forward to the "more on that later" part.

Fixit 01-27-2012 12:16 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77 (Post 2931412)

To be fair, their stats seem to be fine. It's their analysis of said stats that sucks hardcore.

MoLewisrocks 01-27-2012 12:25 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
Apparently it is or at least was a secret over on ESPN courtesy of KC Joiner...

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavtroop (Post 2931413)
Im more worried about our RT situation than I am Mankins.

Considering the last time out that guy was named kaczur I'm not.

And if I recall the game some of you can't name and still haven't rewatched, the Giants had a lot more depth in the front 4 and were rotating well until we went to hurry up and gassed (not to mention rattled into a 12 men on the punt team penalty) them for the go ahead score. Young Tuck was one of those rotational players that night. Now he's a veteran starter. They got some talent, just not sure they got the depth as witnessed in their early and mid season performances when they were dealing with injuries. We have a lot more depth as well as bulk and size and athletitism on our OL these days that we had then, too. Once Neal went out we were generally screwed, and that game was no exception other than Mankins was simultaneously having the roughest outing of his career and bull rushers were always Koppen's achilles heel. Then of course there are the weapons, of which we have more that are also more versatile.

PatsWickedPissah 01-27-2012 12:31 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
OL Now vs then

LT - (age)
RG 0 (could be + given career bad game)
OC -
RG ++ (Neal OUT most of game)
RT ++

Skill Players
QB 0
RB ++
Slot 0
WR --
TE ++

cavtroop 01-27-2012 12:32 PM

Re: (Fore)Telling Statistic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks (Post 2931481)
Apparently it is or at least was a secret over on ESPN courtesy of KC Joiner...



Considering the last time out that guy was named kaczur I'm not.

And if I recall the game some of you can't name and still haven't rewatched, the Giants had a lot more depth in the front 4 and were rotating well until we went to hurry up and gassed (not to mention rattled into a 12 men on the punt team penalty) them for the go ahead score. Young Tuck was one of those rotational players that night. Now he's a veteran starter. They got some talent, just not sure they got the depth as witnessed in their early and mid season performances when they were dealing with injuries. We have a lot more depth as well as bulk and size and athletitism on our OL these days that we had then, too. Once Neal went out we were generally screwed, and that game was no exception other than Mankins was simultaneously having the roughest outing of his career and bull rushers were always Koppen's achilles heel. Then of course there are the weapons, of which we have more that are also more versatile.

Im only concerned in that Vollmer, even if healthy, hasn't played in weeks, and Solder let up some inside pressure last game. Not a ton - there is no question our OL is in much better shape this time around.


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