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Patspsycho 01-18-2012 01:55 PM

Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
Some thoughts on the X's and O's of what we can expect on Sunday vs. the Ravens.

I went back to look at the '10 game that we won in OT, because at this point, going back to look at the '09 game is pointless because of how much the roster and the attitude has changed, so I think the '10 game is better in terms of scouting.

A few things:

Reed did not play in the '10 game, also this was the first game after Moss was cut, and also the first game that Branch played in. This was also the Raven's first experience with Woodhead and they had a real hard time with his shirking, elusive style of play.

Now this is the part where a lot of you will get excited- this was only AH's and Gronk's 5th professional game. AH had the jitters, especially in OT where he had two drops. We know how much those two have blossomed since, especially Gronk, who has exploded. His output across the board has literally doubled this year from last year. He is much more sophisticated now, and hopefully has learned to stop blocking players who take themselves out of the play, and this is all the more important because we will see plenty of this from the aggressive, sometimes overpursuing Ravens D, and Gronk has to stop wasting time with that because not only does it also take him out of the play, but it takes him away from picking up further blocks.

In this game, we started off with a lot of single high safety looks out of the 3-4 (Meriweather) and in the 2nd half went to a cover 2, because we couldn't trust Meriweather who was making boneheaded play after play- he helped to give the Ravens four first downs on penalties, including that personal foul on Heap which was absolutely unnecessary and idiotic.

I think that based on the success we had with Rice in '10 (holding him to 3.1 YPC) we will go back to the 3-4 again and roll Chung up to the line or possibly invert Ihedigbo, but I think we'll just focus on sound gap discipline over putting too much spy on Rice (although Spikes was outstanding on that) especially on the backside where Rice likes to cut if the run-blocking collapses. Not only do the players have to maintain excellent gap discipline, they must be extremely disciplined fundamentally-speaking, defeating blocks and otherwise because the Ravens protect their point of attacks very well- their run-blocking and blocking in general is exceptional and well above-average. If the point of attack is not contained and defeated, the blocking will quickly turn overwhelming because the Ravens are very physical. I don't rule out spying on Rice, however, especially late in the game, when they put Fletcher in spy on Rice on their last drive in regulation which effectively killed the drive.

A big area of concern for us are the corners who must have an outstanding game, not just because Flacco loves those sideline throws, but in the '10 game, the Ravens picked on McCourty and Arrington often, testing their ability in single coverage (because of our high safety look). And it is plausible that this is where the cracks in McCourty's armors started to show. Expect this to happen again even if we are in a cover 2 look.

On offense, in '10 we ran a lot of empty formations, and I think we will see the same here, except this time the empty will be in the spread with flood options, and we'll be in no-huddle because the Ravens pretty much have not seen it this year. Expect to see a lot of hurry-up with little run plays because the run plays require compressed formations and that is what the Ravens D love- they want BOB (big on big), they don't like running sideline to sideline or defending the open field. Closed or compressed formations play to their strengths, and I think we'll stay away from that. Expect to see a few of Woodhead/AH in the hybrid HB/RB offset I (same as last week).

I guarantee that there will be at least one double-reverse handoff play. We ran two of that in the '10 game, one with AH and one with Tate and they went for big gains- this is another way of exploiting Ravens tendency to overpursue.

If the OL wins, Brady wins, and we win the game, pure plain and simple. But there are two big areas of concern on the line- in the '10 game, Koppen got taken to the woodshed by Ngata, resulting in that forced fumble on the opening drive and a crucial sack late in the game off a loop, IIRC. We have Connolly in his place now, and while Connolly is bigger, heavier, and more athletic, he will still have problems with Ngata, because there just is nobody like Ngata who is a monster at nose. Also the Ravens like to attack Light and go at him laterally- you will see Suggs speed rush him from 8 or 9 tech, never on the inside, because Light has a hard time riding speed rushers past Brady. They love to go at him and pick on him.

In this game, we have Welker at 100%, two great TE's in AH and Gronk, and the dependable Branch, and a X-factor receiver (doubt it will be Ocho). I expect our run game to be token (we will see little of BJGE who didn't fare well in '10 anyway, and no idea if we will see Ridley). Like Jay says, I won't be surprised to see us test Reed right off the bat, to go right at him with a mismatch to see where he is physically, and see how much he can cover open space and adjust accordingly.

The one thing that kept this game close in '10 was Flacco started off very hot- he was 14/17 by the half, but cooled off. He must bring his A+ game to keep his team in this game.

This game should probably be a close one, hard fought, and the victory will probably not be more than a TD or a TD + FG, barring any big surprise or injury.

I invite commentary, criticism, and your X's and O's. Some excellent threads here and I don't mean to start yet another one.. but thought this would be more of a strategic approach, in terms of how you would draw up the game plan.

Double TE 01-18-2012 01:57 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
Good post.

I just want to see one reverse or WR toss from Edelman. Would be cool.

cstjohn17 01-18-2012 02:04 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patspsycho (Post 2908632)
#1) A big area of concern for us are the corners who must have an outstanding game, not just because Flacco loves those sideline throws, but in the '10 game, the Ravens picked on McCourty and Arrington often, testing their ability in single coverage (because of our high safety look). And it is plausible that this is where the cracks in McCourty's armors started to show. Expect this to happen again even if we are in a cover 2 look.


#2) If the OL wins, Brady wins, and we win the game, pure plain and simple. But there are two big areas of concern on the line- in the '10 game, Koppen got taken to the woodshed by Ngata, resulting in that forced fumble on the opening drive and a crucial sack late in the game off a loop, IIRC. We have Connolly in his place now, and while Connolly is bigger, heavier, and more athletic, he will still have problems with Ngata, because there just is nobody like Ngata who is a monster at nose. Also the Ravens like to attack Light and go at him laterally- you will see Suggs speed rush him from 8 or 9 tech, never on the inside, because Light has a hard time riding speed rushers past Brady. They love to go at him and pick on him.

You covered a lot in your breakdown, there are a couple of points I really agree with.

#1) Cornerbacks - Flacco is inconsistent but he has a gun and the deep sideline passes are one his best throws. The Patriots must contain the big plays, let Flacco make 5-7 throws for a score. No quick strikes.

#2) Ngata is a beast of all beasts, I am curious how Connolly and a 70% Mankins hold up against him. The Patriots quick pace should wear him down. In 2009 each mistake turned into a turnover. The Ravens will make some plays, a key for the Patriots will be to hold onto the ball. Better to have a 3rd and 18 then a fumble or interception. A punt is not a bad thing, turnovers will be lethal.

Double TE 01-18-2012 02:06 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cstjohn17 (Post 2908643)
You covered a lot in your breakdown, there are a couple of points I really agree with.

#1) Cornerbacks - Flacco is inconsistent but he has a gun and the deep sideline passes are one his best throws. The Patriots must contain the big plays, let Flacco make 5-7 throws for a score. No quick strikes.

#2) Ngata is a beast of all beasts, I am curious how Connolly and a 70% Mankins hold up against him. The Patriots quick pace should wear him down. In 2009 each mistake turned into a turnover. The Ravens will make some plays, a key for the Patriots will be to hold onto the ball. Better to have a 3rd and 18 then a fumble or interception. A punt is not a bad thing, turnovers will be lethal.

Plus Brady can just punt on 3rd and 18...

everlong 01-18-2012 02:12 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
I believe they've been using Cody and McKinney on the nose and using Ngata like we do Vince in the 3-4 as an end so he can use his athletic ability vs just holding the point of attack.

NEP4Life 01-18-2012 02:14 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cstjohn17 (Post 2908643)
#2) Ngata is a beast of all beasts, I am curious how Connolly and a 70% Mankins hold up against him. The Patriots quick pace should wear him down. In 2009 each mistake turned into a turnover. The Ravens will make some plays, a key for the Patriots will be to hold onto the ball. Better to have a 3rd and 18 then a fumble or interception. A punt is not a bad thing, turnovers will be lethal.

Reviewing the last Ravens game, Mount Cody played plenty of 0-tech against the Texans. Ngata played 2-tech, on the defensive right.

Added: They appear to have a passing sub with Ngata at RDE, #90 McPhee and #99 Kruger on the line.

Brady_to_Moss 01-18-2012 02:19 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
spread out that D..that's how you beat them

Fencer 01-18-2012 02:20 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
(After Ian's graciousness, I'm back. And this thread is as good a place to re-start as any.)

When it comes to the idea of a gap-discipline game plan, I concur, for a perhaps unusual reason -- this is a case where it is a GOOD idea to do what worked last week. The team finally "got it"; a very strong teaching strategy would be to tell them to keep doing it.

As for DBs, even before Boyer more or less confirmed it, I thought the Pats had evolved to a philosophy in which there on many downs is much more of a split between strong safeties/rest of the DBs than there is a traditional safety/CB distinction. What exactly that means for coverage schemes I couldn't say.

On offense, I expect to see a lot of shotgun, to keep as much distance between Brady and Ngata as possible. Besides, as noted above, a power running game isn't that likely to work anyway. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see BOTH Woodhead and Faulk having high-usage games, Faulk as much for his blocking as anything else.

Patspsycho 01-18-2012 02:40 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
One other thought is that I think there will be a lot of motion, pre-snap to check against man coverage, and if the scheme is man, then Brady can split the RB (Woodhead) out wide to take Ray Lewis out of the play because Ray covers the RB straight up out of the play (he did that in the '10 game).

In retrospect, looking at the cover 7 scheme that Matt Bowen drew up over at NFP, I think I'd want to see a lot of that YZ alignment in stacks because then you can rub, and the underneath (say Welker) takes the horizontal stretch play that again takes Lewis out of the play in addition to forcing him to run laterally, and the corner on the top has no help in having to contain AH.

On the other side, if the isolated WR is in solo coverage, it had better be Underwood or Ocho doing a go route, or comeback. That would be a huge gain.

Patspsycho 01-18-2012 02:42 PM

Re: Some X and O's thoughts on the upcoming Ravens game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NEP4Life (Post 2908661)
Reviewing the last Ravens game, Mount Cody played plenty of 0-tech against the Texans. Ngata played 2-tech, on the defensive right.

Added: They appear to have a passing sub with Ngata at RDE, #90 McPhee and #99 Kruger on the line.

Interesting alignment; that would allow Ngata to loop around Cody- dangerous.


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