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Rob0729 05-16-2008 03:12 PM

Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
Both argue that Tomase's only real mistake was to say Walsh "videotaped" the walkthrough instead of "monitored" the walkthrough. I say that is a BS excuse to help out their friend.

The whole tone of Tomase's original article was that Walsh made a deliberate effort to spy on the Rams whether he acted alone or was ordered. What Walsh admitted to that he just happened to be present at the Rams walkthrough because he was still setting up and no one asked him to leave and he just relayed what he saw to DaBoll.

Personally, I see a huge difference between what Tomase said Walsh did and what Walsh admitted to doing. Making Walsh's piece accurate would have taken far more than changing a few words in the article.

BelichickFan 05-16-2008 03:15 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
Agreed. Of course, Felgie is Felgie and I've always felt Curran is a little overated around here; a solid local guy but over his head nationally.

NoCal Patriot 05-16-2008 03:16 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
All of The Print and Internet Guys are speaking from Talking Points in order to protect their own sorry butts as well as trying to save Doughnut Boy's Backside.It's truly disgusting.

makoute 05-16-2008 03:16 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
I don't know what it's going to take for people to take Tomase at his word, that he decided what the story was going to be. The guy himself stated that he made it up, after putting two and two together.

bradmahn 05-16-2008 03:18 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
I had the same thought earlier and was going to post this in the Tomase apology thread but my internet connection was lost. Here it is:

I just read the live blog on Scott's Shots from Boston Sports Media Watch and saw something that I absolutely have to vent regarding this situation.

Here's the link if you want to read it for yourself.

I've seen some apologists (as have you, if you've heard Felger make this point) that say Tomase merely overstated what the Patriots did:
Quote:

Originally Posted by FellowNFLscribe
[W]as the crux of the story right or wrong -- that the Patriots got information from the Rams' walkthrough? No it wasn't. Everything else is just smoked-filled coffee house crap. And conveniently overlooked by Patriots fans desperate to clear their team's name.

Felger said if you replaced the verb 'taped' with 'monitored' it makes Tomase's story okay. Beyond the fact that both of those words imply that there was intent on the part of the Patriots, it changes the very fabric of what actually occurred. Matt Walsh, on the sidelines, setting up video equipment and happening to see something is not against the rules - there is nothing dishonest or unfair about that situation when the Rams could have and should have requested his dismissal from the site (and the NFL has stated as much). There is a huge difference between what Tomase reported and what the actual circumstances were when one situation (taping) would have warranted more punishment from the NFL and the actual reality of the situation means nothing. Tomase's article was about gathering information from the walkthrough illegally (the "crux," if you will), anything else means his article was wrong. Please don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

NEPatriot 05-16-2008 03:27 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
Instead of criticizing Tomase for not doing his job right and failing their journlism code miserably, they suggest him to change his 'word' next time. These arsholes realize that they encourage the idiot to screw up whenever an opportunity arrives.???

So much for journalism.! Sure, there are ways to get around everything, aren't there.?

Rob0729 05-16-2008 03:27 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BelichickFan (Post 895496)
Agreed. Of course, Felgie is Felgie and I've always felt Curran is a little overated around here; a solid local guy but over his head nationally.

I do agree that Felger is being Felger and loyal Herald employee.

I really like Curran although I don't think he is much of national reporter. He always have been a straight shooter, but his defense of Tomase seems really disingenious.

BelichickFan 05-16-2008 03:30 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob0729 (Post 895523)
I really like Curran although I don't think he is much of national report. He always have been a straight shooter, but his defense of Tomase seems really disingenious.

I do like Curran. I think he's funny, a straight shooter and a legit nice guy. I just don't think he rises to national reporter level - or what I think it should be, anyway; based on other national guys I may have my standards way too high :rolleyes:

BSR 05-16-2008 03:43 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bradmahn (Post 895504)
I had the same thought earlier and was going to post this in the Tomase apology thread but my internet connection was lost. Here it is:

I just read the live blog on Scott's Shots from Boston Sports Media Watch and saw something that I absolutely have to vent regarding this situation.

Here's the link if you want to read it for yourself.

I've seen some apologists (as have you, if you've heard Felger make this point) that say Tomase merely overstated what the Patriots did:

Felger said if you replaced the verb 'taped' with 'monitored' it makes Tomase's story okay. Beyond the fact that both of those words imply that there was intent on the part of the Patriots, it changes the very fabric of what actually occurred. Matt Walsh, on the sidelines, setting up video equipment and happening to see something is not against the rules - there is nothing dishonest or unfair about that situation when the Rams could have and should have requested his dismissal from the site (and the NFL has stated as much). There is a huge difference between what Tomase reported and what the actual circumstances were when one situation (taping) would have warranted more punishment from the NFL and the actual reality of the situation means nothing. Tomase's article was about gathering information from the walkthrough illegally (the "crux," if you will), anything else means his article was wrong. Please don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Agreed. They make it seem like it is only one little word but that one little word has a boat load of meaning. Its akin to saying "Recording signals via binoculars is legal" but if we change "binoculars" to "video tape" the sentence is still true. But it is not.

"A camerman videotaping the Rams walkthrough is illegal" True.

"A camerman monitoring the Rams walkthrough is illegal" NOT True.

It is NOT about changing one word.

bradmahn 05-16-2008 03:49 PM

Re: Tom Curran's and Felger's defense of Tomase is weak at best
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BSR (Post 895541)
Agreed. They make it seem like it is only one little word but that one little word has a boat load of meaning. Its akin to saying "Recording signals via binoculars is legal" but if we change "binoculars" to "video tape" the sentence is still true. But it is not.

"A camerman videotaping the Rams walkthrough is illegal" True.

"A camerman monitoring the Rams walkthrough is illegal" NOT True.

It is NOT about changing one word.

Not to mention it doesn't change the fact that Tomase ran with a rumor as legitimate news and fact.


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