ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

Which list of top 10 QBs from Week 2 seems more accurate to you?

ESPN:
1 Romo DAL
2 Campbell OAK
3 Hasselbeck TEN
4 BRADY
5 Roethlisberger *IT
6 Fitzpatrick BUF
7 Freeman TB
8 Schaub HOU
9 Sanchez JEST
10 Rivers SD

Football Outsiders:
1 BRADY
2 Campbell OAK
3 Roethlisberger *IT
4 Fitzpatrick BUF
5 Romo DAL
6 Dalton CIN
7 Hasselbek SEA
8 Rivers SD
9 Rodgers GB
10 Stafford DET

Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

I like the traditional NFL passer rating best... perhaps it is familiarity..

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Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

Not familiar with DYAR but QBR is not trying to measure stats, it's trying to measure a QB's contribution to the game, much the same baseball stats like WAR try to measure the affect one player has on a game.

I don't like QBR because it has subjective components that they foolishly try to gloss over, but it weights a QB differently based on the situation of the game.

Stafford doesn't even show top 10 because he gets no 'clutch' points because the game is so out of hand. It is similar to high-leverage vs. low-leverage innings for pitchers in baseball.

Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

I like football outsiders better but I don't think they put in their defensive adjustments in until week 3 so at this point it is just YAR not DYAR.

Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

I have no idea why anyone is talking about QBR anymore. It was conceived for physicists, not football fans.

Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

This. I'm used to it, I like it better, and under most cases it seems accurately place the top QB's in order more often than not.

The QBR is dumb and uses opinions based on what someone thinks is important or not.

Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

I hate value stats like these. I think Football Outsider's is better than ESPN's screwy value added ratings, but I still have little use for either.

Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

I think the QBR is a good idea however as with most 'New' systems it has bugs in it and needs to be tweaked. I think it CAN be a very good system in the future if they work out these bugs. As of now, I still like using my eyes rather than any stat sheet.

Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

Any system that doesn't list Brady as the top QB in the NFL over the past two weeks is inherently broken.

Re: ESPN QBR v. FO DYAR
 

DYAR isn't the right FO metric to compare QBR to. They're measuring different things.

QBR is a rate stat, which attempts to measure how efficient the QB was on a per play basis, while DYAR is a hybrid rate/counting stat, that measures value accrued by the quantity of performance at the efficiency rate. DVOA, FO's pure efficiency rate stat, is the more natural comparison.

So QBR and DYAR tell you different things. Take a QB who gets knocked out of a game halfway through due to injury. He's unlikely to rank high in DYAR, because he had less of an opportunity to contribute to game's outcome, whereas he'd be as likely as any QB to rank at the top in QBR, which is trying to tell you how well he contributed during however much opportunity he had.