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BradyToMoss 04-06-2008 12:38 PM
Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
Let's assume J Long and Gholston both go 1/2. If you're BB, do you deal the 7/62 and Oakland's 3rd to old friend Dimitroff to get him? Dimitroff has been recently quoted indicating that he's very open to trading the pick.

jeffbiologist 04-06-2008 12:46 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
The trade value chart would seriously preclude this. ATL needs to get value for the pick if traded. That would take our 1,2 and both 3s...definately not worth it.

DaBruinz 04-06-2008 01:47 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyToMoss (Post 855575)
Let's assume J Long and Gholston both go 1/2. If you're BB, do you deal the 7/62 and Oakland's 3rd to old friend Dimitroff to get him? Dimitroff has been recently quoted indicating that he's very open to trading the pick.
Hell NO. Chris long isn't worth that

BradyToMoss 04-06-2008 02:07 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffbiologist (Post 855579)
The trade value chart would seriously preclude this. ATL needs to get value for the pick if traded. That would take our 1,2 and both 3s...definately not worth it.
Which is exactly how out of wack this idiotic trade value chart is. Who in their right mind would trade the #7/62 and the those 2 third round picks for the 3rd overall pick (a move up 4 spots).

patchick 04-06-2008 02:10 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
To answer whether he'd be worth it, it might be worth translating those abstract picks into actual players. There are a ton of scenarios, but here's one plausible alternate use of the three picks:

TRADE: exchange 1st & 2nd round picks with Carolina.
#13: Quentin Groves, OLB
#44: Brandon Flowers, CB
#67: Red Bryant, DT

Would you rather have just Chris Long, or spend less money for Groves, Flowers and Bryant? Personally I'd take the latter for sure, but your results may vary.

BradyToMoss 04-06-2008 02:21 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patchick (Post 855647)
To answer whether he'd be worth it, it might be worth translating those abstract picks into actual players. There are a ton of scenarios, but here's one plausible alternate use of the three picks:

TRADE: exchange 1st & 2nd round picks with Carolina.
#13: Quentin Groves, OLB
#44: Brandon Flowers, CB
#67: Red Bryant, DT

Would you rather have just Chris Long, or spend less money for Groves, Flowers and Bryant? Personally I'd take the latter for sure, but your results may vary.

Are you sure Long by himself would cost the Pats money than those 3 combined?

patchick 04-06-2008 02:30 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyToMoss (Post 855656)
Are you sure Long by himself would cost the Pats money than those 3 combined?
Well, last year's #3 got $42 million over 5 years. Last year's #13 got $12 million over 5 years. So I think Long at 3 would not merely cost more, but vastly more than 13, 44 & 67 combine.

gomezcat 04-06-2008 02:35 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
...not to mention that Long is not a lock to be a great 3-4 OLB in the NFL.
I'm with patchick. I'll take those three over him any day, as good as he may turn out to be.

Jimke 04-06-2008 02:44 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
I don't think the Pats would give up three draft picks to trade

up to #3. I could see them using the #3 pick from Oakland to

trade up with Kansas City for the #5 pick if a player they really

want is still there. I don't think the Pats are so restrained by

the salary cap that they could not trade up.

NePatriots 04-06-2008 03:17 PM
Re: Is C. Long worth doing this ?
 
I'd take McKelvin / Avril or Gholston / CB or even Rivers / CB over trading UP from Long. That being said, I would love to get C. Long.


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