2011 Trade Comparison
 

Just something i had a look at then. I wanted to see the trades we made draft day and what we and the team we traded with got for those trades. i think this will be an interesting thing to keep a tab of during the season so see how it has worked out for both teams.

1. New Orleans

NO: #28: Mark Ingram (will probably start at RB for them & is cheaper then bush)
NE:#56: Shane Vareen (Will be interesting to see where he slots in and the impact he has on our offense)
2012 1st rounder (always makes our mock drafts more interesting)

2. Houston
Hou: #60 Brandon Harris (I'm sure they hope he contends for a starting CB spot)
NE: #73 Steven Ridley (Same ad Vareen for me i actually like how he runs)
#138 Marcus Cannon (alot of people think he is the steal of the draft and will start at RG for us eventually)

3.) Oakland
Oak: #92 Joseph Barksdale ( solid OT prospect)
#125 Taiwan Jones (complementary RB to Bush and Mcfadden)
NE: 2012 # 2 (obviously BB didn't like these rounds too much and wanted that 2nd rounder again)

I for one will be very interested to see how these trades turn out for both teams. I like the Houston trade already and will have to wait to 2012 to judge the other two properly.

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Pending results on the field, these trades all seemed to be win-win...

Brees needs a strong running threat to open passing lanes on play action. Solid rushing attack in 2009 = MVP candidate and SB title. No so much last year.

Houston needs to make the playoffs this year or the patience of their fanbase will be pretty much exhausted. That means getting past Goober and the Dolts. Brandon Harris (especially where they got him) seems like a perfect pick to help get that done.

Both Barksdale and Jones were linked to the Raiders well before the draft, so they got 2 players that they believe will fit well with them. I'm not so sure, but I will concede that they need to win sooner rather than later.

It is going to be difficult to just straight compare these trades. Ingram, Harris and Barksdale should get full-time minutes right away. Vereen and Ridley will get situational snaps and Cannon may need the 2011 season to get into shape (cancer recovery and getting to his ideal weight). The 2012 picks will likely get fed into the Belichick circle of life so their impact may be too abstract to get a true value.

If the Saints or Raiders finish well below expectations this year, those trades swing heavily to the Pats. Otherwise I would say the everyone made out well in these deals.

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Yep, I figure we traded #28 for Vereen plus a 2012 2nd & 2013 2nd. Then the 2013 2nd became a lower 2013 2nd + a 2014 3rd. The 2014 3rd was traded for a 2015 2nd, which we used.

So how is everybody feeling about #28 vs. four 2nd round picks, vesting over a period of 5 years? :)

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I love it - but it is just a matter of time before Polian and competition committee stop Belichicks' PONZI draft scheme. As it creates unfair competition when BB is wheeling and dealing with other head coaches/ gm's with room temperature IQ's. :p

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Honestly i feel like we got a good deal out of the houston trade as this let us get Ridley and Cannon.

i think the NO deal is a Wash and was great for both teams.

Oakland's was slightly in their favor value wise but i just don't think BB wanted to make the picks in the 3rd and 4th, so like 2007 he traded out and up.

Bit of a side not but, someone on another thread made a good point if BJGE becomes a FA with the new deal, BB made quite a prudent move double dipping on the RB's as it stands we only have Woody on the roster. I think it's relevant because we were able to address RB while getting another 1st next year and 5th this year.

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It'll be interesting to see how many players end up gestating in the Mark Ingram circle of life. They turned the 2009 pick #89 (who ended up being tight end Jared Cook, picked by the Titans) into two 2010 players (Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko) and one 2011 player (Ras-I Dowling). And that was a low third-rounder. You have to figure a first-round pick turns into at least three players and maybe four. What's the over/under on the year this trade ends up being completed? I'm saying 2013.

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Last year's # 89 to Carolina turned into this year's # 33 (Dowling). Not sure where/how you get Spikes and Mesko involved in this deal?

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Last year's #89 was the 2010 #89. He is discussing the one from the year prior to that.

I made the same mistake with a few weeks back myself.

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This deal was clearly one BB wanted, and for which he was willing to pay a high price (price that was higher than value charts/his own past record) We view Al Davis as someone whose pocket BB picks at will -- actually give Al Davis his due. He extracted a pound of flesh from BB in trading Burgess taking advantage of Pat's desperation at getting an edge-rusher. He also held firm this time.

Once again proving the adage, if the world knows you want something badly enough, you are going to have to pay for it.

Of course, how well this works out depends on the pick or trades next year. History will judge in due course.

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BB didn't overpay, he just didn't get a sucker's deal like he did last year with Carolina. The two late picks in the 3rd and 4th round combine to equal a mid-round 3rd, which is a fair price for a mid to high 2nd the following season.

I do agree that Davis has won a few battles with BB, Burgess is one and Doug Gabriel is another. Still, I think BB has taken the larger win share between the two.