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Harry Boy 01-17-2008 07:48 AM

Look What Wonderful Obama Said
 
Jesus Christ
Obama Said This :confused:
"Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not, and a way that Bill Clinton did not," he said, describing Reagan as appealing to a sentiment that, "We want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism nad entrepreneurship that had been missing."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...ke_Reagan.html

Patters 01-17-2008 07:52 AM

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Reagan was the our most racist modern president, ran up huge deficits, but thank god failed with 99% of his social agenda, and led the right-wing to adapt a decidedly liberal approach to the Soviet Union (embracing Gorby and perestroika). Nonetheless, the main reason I support Obama is because he is running a very smart campaign, trying to bridge the gap between left, right, and middle.

PatsFanInEaglesLand 01-17-2008 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters (Post 746884)
Reagan was the our most racist modern president

How can you say that? Take a look at the racial tensions in this country now and in the 90's. The racial tension is much worse than in the 80's. If he was such a racist why would Obama even bring his name up, maybe because he was one hell of a President. Looks even better compared to the last 2 we've had.

God man, think with your own mind, or does it never come out of party mode?

STFarmy 01-17-2008 08:10 AM

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Racism is the modern witch hunt - you accuse it of someone, and people automatically assume it's true. That's why I think we should all be careful with this term (though I am in no way defending real racist scumbags).

DarrylS 01-17-2008 08:16 AM

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Isn't the source of this thread somewhat biased, so the all the following comments need to be tempered..

Patters 01-17-2008 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInEaglesLand (Post 746899)
How can you say that? Take a look at the racial tensions in this country now and in the 90's. The racial tension was nowhere near that in the 80's. If he was such a racist why would Obama even bring his name up, maybe because he was one hell of a President. Looks even better compared to the last 2 we've had.

God man, think with your own mind, or does it never come out of party mode?

Maybe you're too young to remember Reagan's opposition to the civil rights act and open housing laws, lies about welfare queens, embrace of South African Apartheid, opposition to Martin Luther King Day, the fact that he launched his campaign in Philadelphia, MS (known only as a place where 3 civil rights workers were murdered), used coded phrases like "states rights," or maybe you just never really paid any attention to racism in the United States. Obama brings up Reagan because Obama is a really smart politician and understands that you cannot be partisan to win the White House. That's why I support him over Clinton and one of the reasons I support him over Edwards. I'm no more a party person than you. My political philosophy leaves me stuck most of the time with the Democrats, who are rarely liberal enough for me but at least more liberal than the Republicans.

PatsFanInEaglesLand 01-17-2008 08:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Patters (Post 746920)
Maybe you're too young to remember Reagan's opposition to the civil rights act and open housing laws, lies about welfare queens, embrace of South African Apartheid, opposition to Martin Luther King Day, the fact that he launched his campaign in Philadelphia, MS (known only as a place where 3 civil rights workers were murdered), used coded phrases like "states rights," or maybe you just never really paid any attention to racism in the United States. Obama brings up Reagan because Obama is a really smart politician and understands that you cannot be partisan to win the White House. That's why I support him over Clinton and one of the reasons I support him over Edwards. I'm no more a party person than you. My political philosophy leaves me stuck most of the time with the Democrats, who are rarely liberal enough for me but at least more liberal than the Republicans.

I grew up in the 80's, Country was certainly better off under him that Clinton or Bush II

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3744

Do you have anything but DNC talking points?

wistahpatsfan 01-17-2008 08:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Patters (Post 746920)
Maybe you're too young to remember Reagan's opposition to the civil rights act and open housing laws, lies about welfare queens, embrace of South African Apartheid, opposition to Martin Luther King Day, the fact that he launched his campaign in Philadelphia, MS (known only as a place where 3 civil rights workers were murdered), used coded phrases like "states rights," or maybe you just never really paid any attention to racism in the United States. Obama brings up Reagan because Obama is a really smart politician and understands that you cannot be partisan to win the White House. That's why I support him over Clinton and one of the reasons I support him over Edwards. I'm no more a party person than you. My political philosophy leaves me stuck most of the time with the Democrats, who are rarely liberal enough for me but at least more liberal than the Republicans.

Reagan wasn't a racist. He did nothing to support that allegation. Just because he was fiscally tight on domestic spending and minorities are disproportionately dependent on federal programs does not automatically make such positions about race. If you are against entitlement programs that makes you racist? That's an absurd stretch.
Why did you use that word in reference to this quote from Obama? He was in no way referring to racism. It was an economic statement. How does racism fit into this?
And why does the term "states rights" connote racism? Of course it was used by racists, but racists also drink water and breathe air. Does that make water-drinkers and air-breathers racist?

Fogbuster 01-17-2008 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters (Post 746884)
Reagan was the our most racist modern president, ran up huge deficits, but thank god failed with 99% of his social agenda, and led the right-wing to adapt a decidedly liberal approach to the Soviet Union (embracing Gorby and perestroika). Nonetheless, the main reason I support Obama is because he is running a very smart campaign, trying to bridge the gap between left, right, and middle.



"Mr. Gorbachev, Tear down this wall!!" -- Ronald Reagan, standing at the Berlin Wall, c. 1987

Reagan embraced Gorby, but not on communism's terms; Reagan did it on faith in God's terms.



//

Patters 01-17-2008 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan (Post 746933)
Reagan wasn't a racist. He did nothing to support that allegation. Just because he was fiscally tight on domestic spending and minorities are disproportionately dependent on federal programs does not automatically make such positions about race. If you are against entitlement programs that makes you racist? That's an absurd stretch.
Why did you use that word in reference to this quote from Obama? He was in no way referring to racism. It was an economic statement. How does racism fit into this?

First of all, I was responding to PFIEL's response to my original comment.

In my original comment, I was saying that Reagan was a poor president, and racism was only one example I listed. I did not mention entitlement programs, except insofar as Reagan referred to welfare queens and the examples he cited were to my knowledge only of black fraud. Reasonably, one can presume there was white fraud, too.

I think you're reading things into my comments that simply are not there. Of course you can oppose entitlements and not be racist.

And, I am defending Obama for crediting Reagan, simply because Obama is trying to position himself to win the general election, not just the primaries.


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