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DarrylS 02-25-2011 05:38 AM

The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
Nothing to see here folks, but to push through an agenda is one thing.. but not to allow everyone to vote is quite another, shame on the Wisconsin Asssembly..

Of course Fox News and the rest of the right wing sites are all saying that the Democrats were asleep at the wheel, and tired from the log debate and somehow missed the opportunity to vote.. 28 Assembly men and women were all asleep???? This WTF moment brought to you by the Koch Industries, now everyone drop you drawers and grab your ankles.. the Koch Boys are coming on through.

To deny the votes of the assembly, is the denial of democracy...

WI Assembly GOP Passes Walker Budget In Surprise Vote -- Dems Chant "Shame!" | TPMDC

Quote:

After much buildup in the 61-hour debate -- of Republicans wanting things to be over, and Democrats railing against Republicans who they said would cut off debate -- at about 1 AM Speaker Pro Tempore Bill Kramer (R) announced that he would hear a voice vote for a roll call on final passage. Immediately, the majority Republicans shouted their ayes, and the Democrats were booing, as they tried to be recognized to demand a separate motion to cut off debate.

Then Kramer called the vote. Within seconds, the digital vote system on the wall announced 51 ayes and 17 nays, and voting was suddenly closed. With a total of 96 members, that got to a majority for the bill but left 28 members who hadn't had a chance yet to vote.

At that point, the Democrats got up, chanting "Shame! Shame! Shame!" and similar exclamations, as the Republicans filed out of the room.

There were many Democrats I spoke to and overheard in the chamber, who said they didn't get a chance to vote, or that they were pushing the "No" button at their desks as hard as they could -- keep in mind that a majority of their 38-member caucus was recorded as casting no votes at all. (Interesting to note there were also four Republicans who voted no -- after having joined every party-line vote against Democratic amendments.

PatsFanInVa 02-25-2011 06:05 AM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
Boy this is the kind of constitutional outrage that'll have that tea party up in... what's that you say? Not a peep? Bought and paid for?

Quelle Surprise.

patsfan13 02-25-2011 08:13 AM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
Let's see the dem senator leave the state, the legislature introduced aover 100 amendments for the purpose of avoid a vote there was 61 hrs of debate, and a majority voted for the budget.


Good glad to see the dems upset.

I hope the Wi Senate gets the message and passes things that don't require the dems to show up like the right to work legislation.

DarrylS 02-25-2011 08:25 AM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
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Originally Posted by patsfan13 (Post 2489636)
Let's see the dem senator leave the state, the legislature introduced aover 100 amendments for the purpose of avoid a vote there was 61 hrs of debate, and a majority voted for the budget.


Good glad to see the dems upset.

I hope the Wi Senate gets the message and passes things that don't require the dems to show up like the right to work legislation.

New word coined today, "Wisconsined" meaning when we want to pass something in a legislature do not let the opposition vote..

Wow imagine if there were a group of people who wanted to uphold the constitution and wanted to insure that things were done according to that document and they bound together..

Oh wait a minute, there is such a group called the "Tea Party", but somehow they can justify violating the basic right of an elected official.. guess once again the constitution is just a situational document.. that goddamned piece of paper.

The Brandon Five 02-25-2011 08:36 AM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrylS (Post 2489592)
Nothing to see here folks, but to push through an agenda is one thing.. but not to allow everyone to vote is quite another, shame on the Wisconsin Asssembly..

Of course Fox News and the rest of the right wing sites are all saying that the Democrats were asleep at the wheel, and tired from the log debate and somehow missed the opportunity to vote.. 28 Assembly men and women were all asleep???? This WTF moment brought to you by the Koch Industries, now everyone drop you drawers and grab your ankles.. the Koch Boys are coming on through.

To deny the votes of the assembly, is the denial of democracy...

WI Assembly GOP Passes Walker Budget In Surprise Vote -- Dems Chant "Shame!" | TPMDC

"51 ayes and 17 nays"

Lets see...28 plus 17....carry the 1...that's 45. Motion still passes. Wow, it's practically a coup d'etat.

patsfan13 02-25-2011 09:12 AM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrylS (Post 2489640)
New word coined today, "Wisconsined" meaning when we want to pass something in a legislature do not let the opposition vote..

Wow imagine if there were a group of people who wanted to uphold the constitution and wanted to insure that things were done according to that document and they bound together..

Oh wait a minute, there is such a group called the "Tea Party", but somehow they can justify violating the basic right of an elected official.. guess once again the constitution is just a situational document.. that goddamned piece of paper.








Basic right? They held a vote the budget was passed by the majority. The dems were upset that their delaying tatics were defeated.

I don't remember you outrage when the Pelosi congress limited debate and when the rules committee wouldn't allow the pubbies to introduce amendment during the health care debate, btw the pubs didn't leave DC.

Save your phony outrage for eople who care.

BTW the Tea Party folks want the WI senators to stop hiding and do the job they are being paid for but not showing up to do.


Maybe the Koch brothers told the WI legislature when to vote? HAHAHA!

DarrylS 02-25-2011 10:04 AM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
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Originally Posted by patsfan13 (Post 2489668)
Basic right? They held a vote the budget was passed by the majority. The dems were upset that their delaying tatics were defeated.

I don't remember you outrage when the Pelosi congress limited debate and when the rules committee wouldn't allow the pubbies to introduce amendment during the health care debate, btw the pubs didn't leave DC.

Save your phony outrage for eople who care.

BTW the Tea Party folks want the WI senators to stop hiding and do the job they are being paid for but not showing up to do.


Maybe the Koch brothers told the WI legislature when to vote? HAHAHA!

Mr. Naivete, they probably did.. go Tea Party, keep violating the rights of the platform you all stood on.. way to go, you have become the them you warned us about...

There is also a huge difference between limiting debate, and not allowing people to vote.. can you possibly imagine that you do not give the common courtesy, and the right of an elected official their right to vote.. the most sacred item of our democracy has been "Wisconsined"...

Guess next election they should let the early returns come out as well as the projections, so the people on the west coast do not have to bother voting.. that makes sense.

cupofjoe1962 02-25-2011 10:48 AM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
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Originally Posted by DarrylS (Post 2489640)
New word coined today, "Wisconsined" meaning when we want to pass something in a legislature do not let the opposition vote..

What if this happened in Massachusetts?

The republicans are few and far between in the state house, but what
if they went to New Hampshire to protest a vote to change the bill
to allow Deval Patrick to appoint Paul Kirk to Ted Kennedy's senate seat.

If that happened, should the Democrats have waited for them to return before voting?

Without the Kirk vote, there would be no Obamacare..

Imagine if the minorty party ran to another state every time they did not
like a bill that was going to be passed.

PatriotsReign 02-25-2011 12:34 PM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
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Originally Posted by cupofjoe1962 (Post 2489721)
What if this happened in Massachusetts?

The republicans are few and far between in the state house, but what
if they went to New Hampshire to protest a vote to change the bill
to allow Deval Patrick to appoint Paul Kirk to Ted Kennedy's senate seat.

If that happened, should the Democrats have waited for them to return before voting?

Without the Kirk vote, there would be no Obamacare..

Imagine if the minorty party ran to another state every time they did not
like a bill that was going to be passed.

No one can defend the dem's running aways like a bunch of loser-cowards...no one. It is simply idefensible

DarrylS 02-25-2011 12:54 PM

Re: The Wisconsin Way Do not Let The "Opposition" Vote..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriotsReign (Post 2489788)
No one can defend the dem's running aways like a bunch of loser-cowards...no one. It is simply idefensible

FYI Abraham Lincoln employed the same tactic... can that be defended???...

So in your mind violating the constitution, but not allowing an elected official to exercise his or her right to vote is ok in your mind..

Guess in the whacko world of the right, the end justifes the means..


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