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mgteich 01-17-2011 05:30 AM

One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
In the nfl, teams look for their receivers to be defended one on one. This is a situation where teams have a high percentage chance for a big play. This happens even with average wide receivers.

When Moss was here, Revis needed safety help against Moss most of the time. Cromartie need safety help also.

In this game, the corners didn't need help (or not very much). So, when they were in a nickel back situations, they had 3 defensive backs ton defend the middle instead of 1 or 2.

BOTTOM LINE
Other teams cannot be allowed to be able to consistently cover our wide receivers one on one. We need better receivers or someone else developing schemes and calling plays. Or both. Tate is not the answer; perhaps Price is. But both wideouts should command a double team.

JFK 01-17-2011 05:44 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
Calvin Johnson. I'll trade whatever for him. He can do it all.

patriotscpfc 01-17-2011 05:51 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 2452443)
In the nfl, teams look for their receivers to be defended one on one. This is a situation where teams have a high percentage chance for a big play. This happens even with average wide receivers.

When Moss was here, Revis needed safety help against Moss most of the time. Cromartie need safety help also.

In this game, the corners didn't need help (or not very much). So, when they were in a nickel back situations, they had 3 defensive backs ton defend the middle instead of 1 or 2.

BOTTOM LINE
Other teams cannot be allowed to be able to consistently cover our wide receivers one on one. We need better receivers or someone else developing schemes and calling plays. Or both. Tate is not the answer; perhaps Price is. But both wideouts should command a double team.

The Jets rushed 4 for most of the game. We kept a TE or RB to block as well.

That makes 4 receivers vs 7 DB's/LB's.

With the time Tom had to throw early on, we had no chance.

We got beat by a better defense than what played a few weeks back.

Simple.

JoeShmoe 01-17-2011 06:34 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
The coaching staff/everyone knew that was how were they going to play after it worked against the colts

Surely you draw up some plays to counter that sort of coverage, slants, quick outs, bootlegs, the odd deep ball etc

FoxboroFlyer 01-17-2011 06:43 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
The guys on the pregame were right if the refs called a tight game it would favor us, if not the advantage goes to the jets. Their DB's were man handling our WR's and TE's all game. There were plenty of plays that could and probably should have been flagged for at the very least holding.

stinkypete 01-17-2011 07:16 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
Not buying it, Super Bowls were won with less receiving talent than the 2010 team had. It's gotta go back to the D. The Patriots haven't had a dominant defense since 2004, it's time to draft some guys to rebuild the front 7.

alvinnf 01-17-2011 07:19 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
There are plenty of ways to get guys open, through formation and motion. If NY wanted to stack the middle of the field and press on the outside. We could have used bunch sets and motion to create open space. Our big TE's are good enough in space to be put on the outside as well. Which at bare minimum would take a body away from the middle and you would be asking a smaller player like a cb to do the rerouting before passing him off. What it comes down to is a poor coaching job by the staff and the qb. In game 2 TB always checked into the right play. I dont feel as though he checked or took what they gave him often enough. The result is a loss.

patsinthesnow 01-17-2011 07:22 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
What's the trade value points #17 and #28 are worth? Just wondering, A.J Green is the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson.

sligoker 01-17-2011 08:54 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 2452443)
In the nfl, teams look for their receivers to be defended one on one. This is a situation where teams have a high percentage chance for a big play. This happens even with average wide receivers.

When Moss was here, Revis needed safety help against Moss most of the time. Cromartie need safety help also.

In this game, the corners didn't need help (or not very much). So, when they were in a nickel back situations, they had 3 defensive backs ton defend the middle instead of 1 or 2.

BOTTOM LINE
Other teams cannot be allowed to be able to consistently cover our wide receivers one on one. We need better receivers or someone else developing schemes and calling plays. Or both. Tate is not the answer; perhaps Price is. But both wideouts should command a double team.

I agree with you--except Revis didn't need safety help "most of the time" against Moss--pretty much shut him down as he has done before----exxcept for the play he pulled his muscle on.

The_Riddler 01-17-2011 09:00 AM

Re: One On One on The Wide Receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 2452443)
In the nfl, teams look for their receivers to be defended one on one. This is a situation where teams have a high percentage chance for a big play. This happens even with average wide receivers.

When Moss was here, Revis needed safety help against Moss most of the time. Cromartie need safety help also.

In this game, the corners didn't need help (or not very much). So, when they were in a nickel back situations, they had 3 defensive backs ton defend the middle instead of 1 or 2.

BOTTOM LINE
Other teams cannot be allowed to be able to consistently cover our wide receivers one on one. We need better receivers or someone else developing schemes and calling plays. Or both. Tate is not the answer; perhaps Price is. But both wideouts should command a double team.

Like I've been saying for a while now, Brandon Tate is not the answer, people kept saying all he needs is time, he's just a rookie. I mean if people aren't convinced now that he's nothing more than a #5 WR on any NFL team, then that his homerism at it's finest. He doesn't threaten anyone, on any defense, no one. This draft and off-season, we need a true, big, physical WR to keep safeties honest and a guy that TB can go to over the middle and deep. The blue print game plan was on full display last night against the dink and dunk, simply cheat everyone up and force the Pats to throw a ball deeper than 30 yards down the field.

In addition with Tate, why is he still returning kicks for this team?


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