OT: Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ams/index.html
interesting..

Re: OT:Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

Good for Z to point it out. It seemed clear to me as well and was discussed on this board. It was a disgusting play in a generally disgusting game. The NFL needs to come down hard on this type of thing.

Re: OT:Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

I can't stand the Steelers as much as the next guy, but I have some questions about whether that was intentional or not.

If one watches the replay, Timmons is coming down after hurdling #76 OL for the Phins. While in the air, his left leg is way up. He comes down awkwardly and has to change direction immediately when he sees the ball come out.

I can see why Dr. Z was fooled if he was looking at the second replay (between seconds 33-41), because it only shows the foot coming down and pushing off in VERY slow motion.

If he watched the FIRST replay (between seconds 24 and 32) he would have seen clearly that it was inadvertant and merely the landing of a hurdle.

The real time play at the beginning shows this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gQ13Sy52bQE

IMHO, there is no evil intent there.

Re: OT:Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

I don't think intent is even important.

A cleated player chose to hurdle another. In my mind, when you do this the onus is on you to make sure you have somewhere to land. Saying "oops, I didn't mean to land on him" isn't good enough. My response is "then you shouldn't have jumped up in the air you idiot."

Watching that link (thank you shmessy) it looks like his teammate fell where he intended to step, at which point he chose to step on Williams rather than 1) step on his teammate, or 2) fall to the ground himself rather than stepping at all.

He wanted to pursue the loose ball so he chose to step. He unnecessarily put himself up in the air in the first place. While he might not have intended to hurt Williams, he did and he should be held accountable.

Re: OT:Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

That is ridiculous. This is a high stakes game where players are paid millions to win. Their jobs, coaches jobs, etc. are on the line. To have to think "should I make this jump for the first down, or may I incidentally land on a defender with my spikes" is ridiculous.

Re: OT:Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

Second guessing someone in a high adrenalin, full contact sport for specious reasons is futile. Only clearly obvious intent (and I don't know how to determine that unambiguously) should result in punishment. Yes, I'm concerned for players safety and livelihood but it is a contact game where decisions are made in tenths of seconds.

Re: OT:Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

Perfect reasoning.

Re: OT: Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

He clearly extends his leg out to the left.
If he was losing his balance,slipped somehow,his upper body would fall over that way.
That just does not happen.

The thing is,I cannot recall ever seeing this before.
Some feet in close grappling,twisties while tangled,but I do not recall ever seeing this before?

Fines for not tucking the socks in,
fines for wearing the wrong color shirt on the sideline...



Deciding intent is BS.
You don't stomp down on guys.

wilfork for example.
By accident or not,Just don't do it.
Makes me nervous.

Who is in charge?
:mad:

Re: OT: Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

If you're watching that replay and coming away thinking it wasn't intentional than you're missing something. Watch Timmons face, he's looking down at his foot as he steps on Ricky, and he knew where his foot was going.

Now when I say it was intentional I simply mean that he intentionally stepped on Ricky Williams. I'm not saying there was any intend to cause injury though.

I should also say that I thought it was intentional when I watched the game live, but unless Timmons actually meant to cause injury than I don't think it's a big deal. Guys get stepped on all the time, it's part of football.

Re: OT:Dr Z-Ricky Williams victim of dirty play
 

Your explanation does not account for the Steeler's player lifting His leg as high a possible, which in no way is called for as Ricky is laying off too his left and not in his line to the ball, and then driving it into Ricky's shoulder with his full weight.....Location of the two players precludes the need to hurdle Ricky's prostrate body....the Steeler's player had to leave his direct line to the loose ball to stab Ricky with his cleats He was not hurdling a prostrate player he was jacking his leg to deliver maximum force.