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PatsFaninAZ 11-12-2007 08:50 AM

Replay Challenges
 
BB (I think it was BB) said something once -- wishing that something didn't happen isn't a reason to throw the challenge flag.

Norv really could have taken that to heart last night. Two idiotic challenges, and he could have used each of those time outs, not to mention the extra challenge on the interception that almost turned the game. Didn't matter in the end, because of AV's miss, but watching Norv last night it was clear what happens when you coach with your heart instead of your head. Our coach doesn't do that, usually.

Everyone this morning is talking about that simulated snap count and Dungy using the time out after the call. Did any of this matter? Everyone is acting like the Colts were going run a play there on 4th and short. No way. They either were going to call time out or take a delay. If they called a time out, they would have used it anyway, and AV still might have shanked it. If they took a delay penalty, it's the SAME 5 yard penalty as they got called for, and AV misses. I don't think the extra time out wins the game for them.

ctpatsfan77 11-12-2007 09:10 AM

Re: Replay Challenges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFaninAZ (Post 620886)
BB (I think it was BB) said something once -- wishing that something didn't happen isn't a reason to throw the challenge flag.

I believe he also said that he's sometimes thrown the flag not because he knew the refs were wrong, but rather because the reward if the call was overturned outweighed the risk of losing the challenge.

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Norv really could have taken that to heart last night. Two idiotic challenges, and he could have used each of those time outs, not to mention the extra challenge on the interception that almost turned the game. Didn't matter in the end, because of AV's miss, but watching Norv last night it was clear what happens when you coach with your heart instead of your head. Our coach doesn't do that, usually.
I agree with you that he could have used the extra challenge, but how would saving the TO in the first half have made a difference? [Not saying you're wrong, just not sure how it would work.]

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Everyone this morning is talking about that simulated snap count and Dungy using the time out after the call. Did any of this matter? Everyone is acting like the Colts were going run a play there on 4th and short. No way. They either were going to call time out or take a delay. If they called a time out, they would have used it anyway, and AV still might have shanked it. If they took a delay penalty, it's the SAME 5 yard penalty as they got called for, and AV misses. I don't think the extra time out wins the game for them.
Can't really argue with any of this (it's not like the Pats haven't tried it before, just not nearly as often).

MetalBleachers 11-12-2007 09:22 AM

Re: Replay Challenges
 
I admire Norv for his consistency, as in: my consistent amazement that he's an NFL head coach. ;)

PatsFaninAZ 11-12-2007 09:23 AM

Re: Replay Challenges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77 (Post 620926)
I agree with you that he could have used the extra challenge, but how would saving the TO in the first half have made a difference? [Not saying you're wrong, just not sure how it would work.]

No you're right. I looked at play by play and had misremembered the end of the first half.

RayClay 11-12-2007 09:40 AM

Re: Replay Challenges
 
I think the second half catch was a phony, but the challenge was dumb because he covered it well enough that you could never get a clear shot to overturn it.

And that is the point.

scout 11-12-2007 09:49 AM

Re: Replay Challenges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RayClay (Post 620999)
I think the second half catch was a phony, but the challenge was dumb because he covered it well enough that you could never get a clear shot to overturn it.

And that is the point.

I wish we could have judged it rather then take Madden and company's word for it. Saw the one angle two times?

LoveDemPats 11-12-2007 10:01 AM

Re: Replay Challenges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFaninAZ (Post 620886)
BB (I think it was BB) said something once -- wishing that something didn't happen isn't a reason to throw the challenge flag.

Norv really could have taken that to heart last night. Two idiotic challenges, and he could have used each of those time outs, not to mention the extra challenge on the interception that almost turned the game. Didn't matter in the end, because of AV's miss, but watching Norv last night it was clear what happens when you coach with your heart instead of your head. Our coach doesn't do that, usually.

Everyone this morning is talking about that simulated snap count and Dungy using the time out after the call. Did any of this matter? Everyone is acting like the Colts were going run a play there on 4th and short. No way. They either were going to call time out or take a delay. If they called a time out, they would have used it anyway, and AV still might have shanked it. If they took a delay penalty, it's the SAME 5 yard penalty as they got called for, and AV misses. I don't think the extra time out wins the game for them.

Turner is not a charismatic human. He is like a unich or something. I am not sure if it is because he coaches with his heart, or if it is just that he has no sack. He is like a dollar short.

All this talk about the timeout is really just crap to shield Dungy from the fact that he is a "ball-less wonder" also. He messed with the rythm of the game by arguing some stupid bs. I mean, what did he want them to do? "oh, sorry mr dungy, you are always right, so we must be wrong about this if you say so."

If the colts just run the damn ball, they probably get a td. If they just kick it, it goes through. But, the statesman Dungy has to pretend it is the united nations and he is fighting for the children of Mambazolaqui. Talk about a time he should have been the silent leader. (Please be quiet - edited)!


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