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QuiGon 06-13-2007 05:19 PM

Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
Well, once again we are being told to expect a vote on whether or not gay marriage will be sent to the ballot for the people to decide. Gee, what a novel concept. The people deciding.!!

Personally, I don't have my hopes up. I doubt the gutless legislators will take a vote tomorrow. They'll just table the issue again (and again and again and again)....

But let's be honest here... they're tabling the issue until they feel they have the votes to win (so if they feel they have the votes, then they wouldn't table the issue). That's why tomorrow is most likely a lose-lose scenario for the citizens of the Commonwealth. Hey, I hope I'm wrong but I would be amazed if it actually passed....

Thanks to Nancy Pelosi the whore and Teddy Kennedy the drunk murderer, the citizens lose again..!!

Patters 06-13-2007 05:36 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
It's going to be close. There are a handful of people who are undecided. Do they want to risk civil rights by giving in to the bigots or don't they? Do they want to give bigots a chance to protect their special rights? We'll find out tomorrow.

Meanwhile, though, on some aspects of gay rights even right-wing extremists like Bob Barr are finally waking up:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/13/barr-dont-ask/

Real World 06-13-2007 05:37 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
This won't go to ballot.

BelichickFan 06-13-2007 05:48 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
Marriage is not a right, it's a privilege. There's no civil rights issue. Love and make love to whoever you want; that's your right. Marriage ? No. Society doesn't approve of it just like we don't approve of polygamy. Quit talking about civil rights until we make gays sit at the back of the bus or use separate restrooms :D

PressCoverage 06-13-2007 05:54 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by QuiGon (Post 446648)
Well, once again we are being told to expect a vote on whether or not gay marriage will be sent to the ballot for the people to decide. Gee, what a novel concept. The people deciding.!!

Personally, I don't have my hopes up. I doubt the gutless legislators will take a vote tomorrow. They'll just table the issue again (and again and again and again)....

But let's be honest here... they're tabling the issue until they feel they have the votes to win (so if they feel they have the votes, then they wouldn't table the issue). That's why tomorrow is most likely a lose-lose scenario for the citizens of the Commonwealth. Hey, I hope I'm wrong but I would be amazed if it actually passed....

Thanks to Nancy Pelosi the whore and Teddy Kennedy the drunk murderer, the citizens lose again..!!


what a forgettable POS you are... how is Nancy Pelosi a "whore?"

Patters 06-13-2007 06:01 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BelichickFan (Post 446666)
Marriage is not a right, it's a privilege. There's no civil rights issue. Love and make love to whoever you want; that's your right. Marriage ? No. Society doesn't approve of it just like we don't approve of polygamy. Quit talking about civil rights until we make gays sit at the back of the bus or use separate restrooms :D

How is marriage not a civil right? It entails tangible benefits (hospital visitation, taxes, estate, etc.). I could see your point with regard to a church marriage, but a marriage sanctioned by the state is another matter altogether. And there are a lot of things society didn't approve of at one point or another. Certainly, interracial marriage is a good example of that.

BelichickFan 06-13-2007 06:06 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patters (Post 446677)
How is marriage not a civil right? It entails tangible benefits (hospital visitation, taxes, estate, etc.). I could see your point with regard to a church marriage, but a marriage sanctioned by the state is another matter altogether. And there are a lot of things society didn't approve of at one point or another. Certainly, interracial marriage is a good example of that.

If you want to talk about civil unions with a few of the "rights" of marriage, fine. But marriage is a privilege bestowed on a societal approved union - if not I'll marry that cute single chick at work for when my wife has other plans. I still don't know what tax benefits we get, some of us get killed on Roth IRAs - and I don't think there should be social security survivor benefits for any couple other than for used to be stay at home moms. No adoption either, sorry. You want civil unions for inheritance and medical decisions, have at it.

QuiGon 06-13-2007 06:13 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patters (Post 446656)
It's going to be close. There are a handful of people who are undecided. Do they want to risk civil rights by giving in to the bigots or don't they?

There is no more a "civil right" for a man to marry another man than there is for a man to marry 6 women, his brother, his uncle and his 2 golden retrievers.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patters (Post 446656)
Meanwhile, though, on some aspects of gay rights even right-wing extremists like Bob Barr are finally waking up:

It amuses me how you're always bragging about people coming around to support gay rights. If that's true, then why are you so terrified of a public referendum...? After all, Massachusetts is a liberal state so gay marriage is a shoo-in to pass, right...?

QuiGon 06-13-2007 06:16 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Real World (Post 446658)
This won't go to ballot.

That's what I say.... they're just going to keep postponing and postponing until they can bribe, threaten and cajole enough legislators to change sides.

Nancy Pelosi the whore has more authority in Massachusetts than 150,000 citizens. Interesting...

PressCoverage 06-13-2007 06:23 PM

Re: Will democracy win or be stifled tomorrow..?
 
well, if you're gonna just go ahead and throw baseless labels out there for people without anything to back them up, then i guess it's on now...

perhaps Guliani the closet queer, or Thompson the pedophile will fix everything for your goofy repressive agenda...


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