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sebman2112 03-23-2007 05:03 PM

CDS Updated 3 Round Mock 3/23/07
 
http://condraft.com/mocks/round-1.html

I like how some of the picks are different than all the other mocks out there. It is also interesting who they have NE getting:

1.24: Patrick Willis LB Ole Miss (Just like Kiper, they have him falling to NE. This comes even after his Pro Day performance. their comments: "In this projection, they look at one of the best LB’s to come out in years, in Ole Miss’ Patrick Willis. Willis was the clear-cut leader of the Ole Miss defense from his MLB spot, and had great tackle production throughout his career. As a senior, he had 137 tackles, after putting up 128 playing injured as a junior. Instinctive and fiery, the athletic Willis is arguably the best pure MLB prospect since Jonathan Vilma in 2004." Considering that discription, his 4.37-40 time, and that other people have been starting to say simular things about Willis, I can't see him lasting that long. I am not sure he'll even make it out of the top 12, but one can only hope.)

1.28: Michael Griffin S texas (They have the Eagles taking a WR at 26 but I don't really agree with this. The Eagles have in my opinion always been the biggest threat to Griffin lasting 'till the 28th pick.)

3.27: Desmond Bishop LB California (I like this pick. I have Bishop ranked as one of my top five ILB prospects. I think there might be better Backers still on the board, though. If Bradley is still on the board he should be the pick here.)


Interesting note: They have Posluszny going to Chicago at 31, and I could totally see them picking him if he last that long. Briggs wants out. Pusluszny would likely be the pefect fit playing next to Urlacher.

Mogamedogz 03-23-2007 05:58 PM

Re: CDS Updated 3 Round Mock 3/23/07
 
The more you see drafts like this...the more clear it is how completely clueless these people are.

It makes you wonder... are they really even doing any research on these picks?? :confused:

Seriously.. it really makes you wonder.

sebman2112 03-23-2007 06:15 PM

Re: CDS Updated 3 Round Mock 3/23/07
 
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Originally Posted by Mogamedogz (Post 383986)
The more you see drafts like this...the more clear it is how completely clueless these people are.

It makes you wonder... are they really even doing any research on these picks?? :confused:

Seriously.. it really makes you wonder.

Yea, some of those picks seem off, but I do think some of their projections could be accurate.

BelichickFan 03-23-2007 11:37 PM

Re: CDS Updated 3 Round Mock 3/23/07
 
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Originally Posted by Mogamedogz (Post 383986)
The more you see drafts like this...the more clear it is how completely clueless these people are.

It makes you wonder... are they really even doing any research on these picks?? :confused:

Seriously.. it really makes you wonder.

There isn't a single horrible pick there. There's some I disagree with but it's a perfectly reasonable mock. Let me guess, you're upset that Griffin lasted that long ?

VJCPatriot 03-23-2007 11:48 PM

Re: CDS Updated 3 Round Mock 3/23/07
 
I would be satisfied with that draft. Although I see Bishop as more of a 2nd day guy the 1st rounders are quality players.

Mogamedogz 03-24-2007 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan (Post 384139)
There isn't a single horrible pick there. There's some I disagree with but it's a perfectly reasonable mock. Let me guess, you're upset that Griffin lasted that long ?

Alright...let's see... I don't even know where to start.

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I will start with the #1 overall. Although it is debatable; Oakland is NOT taking Russell. There are already reports out of the Raiders camp that they are concerned that Russell doesn't have a good work ethic, and that his weight issues concern them. With an almost SURE-FIRE future Superstar sitting there in Calvin Johnson, there is is NO WAY I see them passing on him. Al Davis knows better. Do you remember the last time the Raiders took a QB in the first round? If not, all you gotta do is a google search for the top 5 NFL busts of all time. You will find him there.

Charles Johnson at #17 overall!??? Did Georgia have a pro day where Johnson walked on water and turned grain into gold or something??

Chris Houston over Darelle Revis?? Hell... Leon Hall over Darelle Revis is not even a sure bet at this point. A smart GM will recognize that.

7-Wr's going in the first round... SEVEN? :confused: There are NOT seven WR's in this draft with first round talent. I'm sorry, but that is just ridiculous!! And just look where he has some of them going...

Ted Ginn Jr to Denver!?- Come-on. We all hate Rat boy... But he is not that stupid. Give him SOME credit. NO WAY they opt for a flashy under-sized skill position player with this pick. What Denver team has this guy been watching over the years?

Anthony Gonzalez to Indy!?- "Lets see... we couldn't stop the run to save our lives for a good portion of last season... and we could really use some help at CB, LB, and DT... But HECK!! Why not add another WR!!?" :wha:

Dwayne Bowe to Dallas??- "You know... we really could use a good cover guy here, and Darrelle Revis is on the board... So is Brandon Meriweather... Aaron Ross... Mike Griffin. Oh yeah, and O-line could be a slight concern for us too. Joe Staley might be able to help us out right away. But ya know what... Lets go ahead and take a WR that will have to compete for looks with T.O, Glenn, and Witten!!"

Patrick Willis falling to #24?? The guy just (allegedly) ran a 4.3/40 and is the PRIEMERE ILB in the draft (the next guy is not even CLOSE). Nufced.

"This off-season, the Bears have started things off right by already franchising LB Lance Briggs, but could look to upgrade Hunter Hillenmeyer opposite the pro-bowler. In this projection, they go with Penn State LB Paul Posluszny." -- Does this statement sound like a guy who knows what he is talking about?? Honestly...

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I can go on and on with this thing... seriously man. You're selling me a bit short with the Griffin @ 28 shot.

Do I think he will make it to #28?? No, I really don't. But that's not the only reason I dislike this Mock.

I just don't think this guy did a very good job with his research. :nono:

BelichickFan 03-24-2007 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mogamedogz (Post 384187)
Charles Johnson at #17 overall!??? Did Georgia have a pro day where Johnson walked on water and turned grain into gold or something??

Chris Houston over Darelle Revis?? Hell... Leon Hall over Darelle Revis is not even a sure bet at this point. A smart GM will recognize that.

I think both of those are possible.

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Originally Posted by Mogamedogz (Post 384187)
Ted Ginn Jr to Denver!?- Come-on. We all hate Rat boy... But he is not that stupid. Give him SOME credit. NO WAY they opt for a flashy under-sized skill position player with this pick. What Denver team has this guy been watching over the years?

He took a similar player, Lelie, in the first round a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Mogamedogz (Post 384187)
Anthony Gonzalez to Indy!?- "Lets see... we couldn't stop the run to save our lives for a good portion of last season... and we could really use some help at CB, LB, and DT... But HECK!! Why not add another WR!!?" :wha:

Polian doesn't value defense. They have no 3rd WR and Harrison has to slow down soon, he just does. This wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Originally Posted by Mogamedogz (Post 384187)
Dwayne Bowe to Dallas??- "You know... we really could use a good cover guy here, and Darrelle Revis is on the board... So is Brandon Meriweather... Aaron Ross... Mike Griffin. Oh yeah, and O-line could be a slight concern for us too. Joe Staley might be able to help us out right away. But ya know what... Lets go ahead and take a WR that will have to compete for looks with T.O, Glenn, and Witten!!"

See Indy. Glenn was drafted the same year as Harrison - he won't last forever.

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Originally Posted by Mogamedogz (Post 384187)
Patrick Willis falling to #24?? The guy just (allegedly) ran a 4.3/40 and is the PRIEMERE ILB in the draft (the next guy is not even CLOSE). Nufced.

Willis probably goes before 24 but he's not considered a stud, he's good, the best LB in the draft. But he's not looked at like Hawk, or the like, was last year.

Probbaly a little WR heavy. But all the picks have some legitimacy - I guess all mocks should be exactly the same then we wouldn't have this problem.

sebman2112 03-24-2007 11:27 AM

Re: CDS Updated 3 Round Mock 3/23/07
 
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Originally Posted by Mogamedogz (Post 384187)

Ted Ginn Jr to Denver!?- Come-on. We all hate Rat boy... But he is not that stupid. Give him SOME credit. NO WAY they opt for a flashy under-sized skill position player with this pick. What Denver team has this guy been watching over the years?


Dwayne Bowe to Dallas??- "You know... we really could use a good cover guy here, and Darrelle Revis is on the board... So is Brandon Meriweather... Aaron Ross... Mike Griffin. Oh yeah, and O-line could be a slight concern for us too. Joe Staley might be able to help us out right away. But ya know what... Lets go ahead and take a WR that will have to compete for looks with T.O, Glenn, and Witten!!"

I can go on and on with this thing... seriously man. You're selling me a bit short with the Griffin @ 28 shot.

Do I think he will make it to #28?? No, I really don't. But that's not the only reason I dislike this Mock.

I just don't think this guy did a very good job with his research. :nono:

1. Denver will not take a flashy, or undersized skill position player? Have you been paying attention to their drafting habits? D-Will: undersized skill position player. Lelie: Flashy skill position player.

2. Dallas might draft a CB (Houston is the CB they are rumored to have interest in) their second area of need is WR. They don't need a Safety (Griffin, Meriweather), since they just signed Ken Hamlin, and already have a decent backup in Pat Watkins. They resigned Colombo, and spent 49M on Leonard Davis, so O-Line wouldn't seem to be that much of a need here. I could still see them picking an O-Linemen, but not before a WR, or CB. TO is an uncertainty, and could find his way to the door, Glenn is getting old, and their third WR Crayton is a UFA next season, so they could use another WR. Dallas decided against playing Anthony Henry at FS, so he'll return to CB. They could still upgrade the position, though.

3. Griffin could fall to 28, and that is not unrealistic at all. He is likely not going an earlier than 17 (If Jacksonville takes him, doubt it.) Dallas was a team looking for a Safety, but they signed Hamlin, and Meriweather was their man, anyways. NO was interested in a first round Safety, but they signed kaesviharn, so their out of the Safety market. The two teams that are the biggest threat to Griffin lasting until 28 are NE at 24, and Philly at 26, so there is a chance he falls to 28.

4. Also, I know these guys watch a lot of actual film, go to the combine and actually meet with prospects, and actually have connections with NFL teams, so I wouldn't go throwing stones at them claiming they haven't done any research, at all. It is one thing to disagree with their opinions, but your insults are quite another.

chowder 03-24-2007 12:05 PM

Re: CDS Updated 3 Round Mock 3/23/07
 
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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot (Post 384146)
I would be satisfied with that draft. Although I see Bishop as more of a 2nd day guy the 1st rounders are quality players.

I think Bishop would be available in day 2 also, but this guy can play and i'd be happy to have him on our team no matter where he's selected (except for maybe the first round... then refer to the throwing out the tv thread. haha)

Mogamedogz 03-24-2007 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan (Post 384347)
I think both of those are possible.

I guess ANYTHING is possible... But It is HIGHLY unlikely that Chris Houston is taken BEFORE Darelle Revis. It really is.


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He took a similar player, Lelie, in the first round a few years ago.
...and how did that work out for him?? That is my point!! Rat Boy doesn't strike me as the type to make the same mistake twice.




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Polian doesn't value defense. They have no 3rd WR and Harrison has to slow down soon, he just does. This wouldn't surprise me at all.
There is a difference between not valuing defense, and just being plain old stupid. If you a re looking for a #3 WR (well #4 when you include Dallas Clark), there are PLENTY to be had in the later rounds of this draft. With their losses on D#, I cant imagine a scenario in which they take a WR in the first round.


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See Indy. Glenn was drafted the same year as Harrison - he won't last forever.
Neither is T.O.... but their window is shutting fast. Jones wants to win now. Bringing in a #4th option WR does nothing for them this season. There are plenty of WR's in this draft with potential to develop into good NFL players eventually; which can be had in the later rounds (Paul Williams, Jason Hill come to mind).


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Willis probably goes before 24 but he's not considered a stud, he's good, the best LB in the draft. But he's not looked at like Hawk, or the like, was last year.
Not "probably". DEFINITLEY. Above I said that "anything" was a possibility.... I take that back. This is NOT a possibility.

A true ILB that runs a 3.4/40, with immediate impact potential, does not last 24 picks. As for the Hawk comparison... that's just not fair. It's not that Hawk was so much better then Willis. He just played on a better team and received allot more hype. Willis has been the best ILB in the country for the last two seasons.

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Probably a little WR heavy. But all the picks have some legitimacy - I guess all mocks should be exactly the same then we wouldn't have this problem.
What is it with the sarcasm dude?? Seriously? I'm not suggesting that they "all be the same", I'm just saying that IMO, this mock is not a very good one. What's wrong with that? Isn't that why we post these mocks?? Do discuss/debate them? To give our "Opinions" on them?? Are we not allowed to disagree with them?


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