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Patters 02-19-2007 07:02 AM

Al Qaeda Chiefs Are Seen to Regain Power
 
I know the self-serving line of righties is that liberals are unwitting allies of the terrorists, but not only does our Iraq adventure suggest that Bush's approach to the WOT is making the terrorists stronger, there's now evidence that Al Qaeda is actually growing stronger. The right-wing has actually jeopardized American security with their blind support for Bush and their one dimensional approach to the problem of terrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/wo...=1&oref=slogin

WASHINGTON, Feb. 18 — Senior leaders of Al Qaeda operating from Pakistan have re-established significant control over their once-battered worldwide terror network and over the past year have set up a band of training camps in the tribal regions near the Afghan border, according to American intelligence and counterterrorism officials.

American officials said there was mounting evidence that Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, had been steadily building an operations hub in the mountainous Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan. Until recently, the Bush administration had described Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri as detached from their followers and cut off from operational control of Al Qaeda.

The United States has also identified several new Qaeda compounds in North Waziristan, including one that officials said might be training operatives for strikes against targets beyond Afghanistan.

American analysts said recent intelligence showed that the compounds functioned under a loose command structure and were operated by groups of Arab, Pakistani and Afghan militants allied with Al Qaeda. They receive guidance from their commanders and Mr. Zawahri, the analysts said. Mr. bin Laden, who has long played less of an operational role, appears to have little direct involvement.

DarrylS 02-19-2007 08:47 AM

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Seen this before the whole NW Pakistan thing also, this is a hotbed for extremists, madrassas and seems to be perpetuating the training of terrorists..

patsfan13 02-19-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters (Post 344509)
I know the self-serving line of righties is that liberals are unwitting allies of the terrorists, but not only does our Iraq adventure suggest that Bush's approach to the WOT is making the terrorists stronger, there's now evidence that Al Qaeda is actually growing stronger. The right-wing has actually jeopardized American security with their blind support for Bush and their one dimensional approach to the problem of terrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/wo...=1&oref=slogin

WASHINGTON, Feb. 18 — Senior leaders of Al Qaeda operating from Pakistan have re-established significant control over their once-battered worldwide terror network and over the past year have set up a band of training camps in the tribal regions near the Afghan border, according to American intelligence and counterterrorism officials.

American officials said there was mounting evidence that Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, had been steadily building an operations hub in the mountainous Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan. Until recently, the Bush administration had described Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri as detached from their followers and cut off from operational control of Al Qaeda.

The United States has also identified several new Qaeda compounds in North Waziristan, including one that officials said might be training operatives for strikes against targets beyond Afghanistan.

American analysts said recent intelligence showed that the compounds functioned under a loose command structure and were operated by groups of Arab, Pakistani and Afghan militants allied with Al Qaeda. They receive guidance from their commanders and Mr. Zawahri, the analysts said. Mr. bin Laden, who has long played less of an operational role, appears to have little direct involvement.

So are indicating should we invade a nuclear Pakistan to attack the Al Queda leadership?

I would point out no attacks in the US, since 9-11 which virtually no one would have predicted.

Pujo 02-19-2007 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13 (Post 344588)
So are indicating should we invade a nuclear Pakistan to attack the Al Queda leadership?

He didn't say anything about invadint Pakistan. Isn't it funny how when your only tool's a hammer, every problem seems like a nail?

patsfan13 02-19-2007 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pujo (Post 344602)
He didn't say anything about invadint Pakistan. Isn't it funny how when your only tool's a hammer, every problem seems like a nail?


Well he did imply that this was a failure in Bush administration policy I wanted to know what he felt the solution was to the precieved shortcoming.

What solution would you propose?

BTW I don't feel it would be useful to invade Pakistan. It would destabilize the government who has been helpful (given the internal sympathies towards Taliban and Al Queda both within and outside the government.

The government has never had control of the Tribal areas where Al Queda is hanging out, our influence therefore is very limited.

Sorry if this doesn't fit your stereotypes. :p

Pujo 02-19-2007 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13 (Post 344621)
Well he did imply that this was a failure in Bush administration policy I wanted to know what he felt the solution was to the precieved shortcoming.

What solution would you propose?

BTW I don't feel it would be useful to invade Pakistan. It would destabilize the government who has been helpful (given the internal sympathies towards Taliban and Al Queda both within and outside the government.

The government has never had control of the Tribal areas where Al Queda is hanging out, our influence therefore is very limited.

Sorry if this doesn't fit your stereotypes.

Yeah, you know me and my stereotypes, I'm always talking about filthy Muslims...

I agree an invasion would be a bad idea. Invasions should be a course of last resort, otherwise it turns into a game of whack-a-mole. We go into Iraq, they pop up in Pakistan. Go into Pakistan? We'll aggitate more of them and they'll come up in Lebanon, or Syria. We need to use military force only when there are no other choices.

patsfan13 02-19-2007 10:06 AM

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OK that's a start how would you deal with Al QUeda and thier vision of Global Caliphate?

Pujo 02-19-2007 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13 (Post 344649)
OK that's a start how would you deal with Al QUeda and thier vision of Global Caliphate?

I would try to physically protect targets as much as possible, gather intelligence about potential attacks, and put heavy pressure on governments in the Middle East to co-operate with us or face severe sanctions.

Fighting terrorism is a joint cause for the west, we need to re-align ourselves with other countries that share our concern, and present a united front when we deal with countries that may turn a blind eye to Al Queda.

Al Queda, by the way, is only a small part of the problem. Independant terrorists, working in small groups, are going to be a major headache for us, too.

Harry Boy 02-19-2007 10:39 AM

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The murdering terrorists are getting stronger because the liberal Bush Hating democrats are making America weaker.

patsfan13 02-19-2007 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pujo (Post 344664)
I would try to physically protect targets as much as possible, gather intelligence about potential attacks, and put heavy pressure on governments in the Middle East to co-operate with us or face severe sanctions.

Fighting terrorism is a joint cause for the west, we need to re-align ourselves with other countries that share our concern, and present a united front when we deal with countries that may turn a blind eye to Al Queda.

Al Queda, by the way, is only a small part of the problem. Independant terrorists, working in small groups, are going to be a major headache for us, too.

In essence you would wait to get hit and try to prevent or minimize the effects of attacks. That's nice.


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