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Turk 09-22-2006 10:52 AM

Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
Sept. 18, 2006 | 8:24 p.m. ET

Bush owes us an apology


The President of the United States owes this country an apology.

It will not be offered, of course.

He does not realize its necessity.

There are now none around him who would tell him or could.

The last of them, it appears, was the very man whose letter provoked
the President into the conduct, for which the apology is essential.

An apology is this President's only hope of regaining the slightest
measure of confidence, of what has been, for nearly two years, a clear
majority of his people.

Not "confidence" in his policies nor in his designs nor even in
something as narrowly focused as which vision of torture shall prevail
-- his, or that of the man who has sent him into apoplexy, Colin Powell.

In a larger sense, the President needs to regain our confidence, that
he has some basic understanding of what this country represents -- of
what it must maintain if we are to defeat not only terrorists, but if
we are also to defeat what is ever more increasingly apparent, as an
attempt to re-define the way we live here, and what we mean, when we
say the word "freedom."

Because it is evident now that, if not its architect, this President
intends to be the contractor, for this narrowing of the definition of
freedom.

The President revealed this last Friday, as he fairly spat through his
teeth, words of unrestrained fury directed at the man who was once the
very symbol of his administration, who was once an ambassador from
this administration to its critics, as he had once been an ambassador
from the military to its critics.

The former Secretary of State, Mr. Powell, had written, simply and
candidly and without anger, that "the world is beginning to doubt the
moral basis of our fight against terrorism."

This President's response included not merely what is apparently the
Presidential equivalent of threatening to hold one's breath, but
within it contained one particularly chilling phrase.

"Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world
is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism,"
he was asked by a reporter. "If a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don't you think
that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder
whether you're following a flawed strategy?"

"If there's any comparison between the compassion and decency of the
American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it's flawed
logic," Bush said. "It's just -- I simply can't accept that. It's
unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the
behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic
extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.

Of course it's acceptable to think that there's "any kind of comparison."

And in this particular debate, it is not only acceptable, it is
obviously necessary, even if Mr. Powell never made the comparison in
his letter.

Some will think that our actions at Abu Ghraib, or in Guantanamo, or
in secret prisons in Eastern Europe, are all too comparable to the
actions of the extremists.

Some will think that there is no similarity, or, if there is one, it
is to the slightest and most unavoidable of degrees.

What all of us will agree on, is that we have the right -- we have the
duty -- to think about the comparison.

And, most importantly, that the other guy, whose opinion about this we
cannot fathom, has exactly the same right as we do: to think -- and
say -- what his mind and his heart and his conscience tell him, is right.

All of us agree about that.

Except, it seems, this President.

With increasing rage, he and his administration have begun to tell us,
we are not permitted to disagree with them, that we cannot be right,
that Colin Powell cannot be right.

And then there was that one, most awful phrase.

In four simple words last Friday, the President brought into sharp
focus what has been only vaguely clear these past five-and-a-half
years - the way the terrain at night is perceptible only during an
angry flash of lightning, and then, a second later, all again is dark.

"It's unacceptable to think," he said.

It is never unacceptable to think.

And when a President says thinking is unacceptable, even on one topic,
even in the heat of the moment, even in the turning of a phrase
extracted from its context, he takes us toward a new and fearful path
-- one heretofore the realm of science fiction authors and apocalyptic
visionaries.

That flash of lightning freezes at the distant horizon, and we can
just make out a world in which authority can actually suggest it has
become unacceptable to think.

Thus the lightning flash reveals not merely a President we have
already seen, the one who believes he has a monopoly on current truth.

It now shows us a President who has decided that of all our
commanders-in-chief, ever, he alone has had the knowledge necessary to
alter and re-shape our inalienable rights.

This is a frightening, and a dangerous, delusion, Mr. President.

If Mr. Powell's letter -- cautionary, concerned, predominantly
supportive -- can induce from you such wrath and such intolerance,
what would you say were this statement to be shouted to you by a
reporter, or written to you by a colleague?

"Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from
the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government
becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to
alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government."

Those incendiary thoughts came, of course, from a prior holder of your
job, Mr. Bush.

They were the words of Thomas Jefferson.

He put them in the Declaration of Independence.

Mr. Bush, what would you say to something that anti-thetical to the
status quo just now?

Would you call it "unacceptable" for Jefferson to think such things,
or to write them?

Between your confidence in your infallibility, sir, and your
demonizing of dissent, and now these rages better suited to a thwarted
three-year old, you have left the unnerving sense of a White House
coming unglued - a chilling suspicion that perhaps we have not seen
the peak of the anger; that we can no longer forecast what next will
be said to, or about, anyone who disagrees.

Or what will next be done to them.

On this newscast last Friday night, Constitiutional law Professor
Jonathan Turley of George Washington University, suggested that at
some point in the near future some of the "detainees" transferred from
secret CIA cells to Guantanamo, will finally get to tell the Red Cross
that they have indeed been tortured.

Thus the debate over the Geneva Conventions, might not be about
further interrogations of detainees, but about those already
conducted, and the possible liability of the administration, for them.

That, certainly, could explain Mr. Bush's fury.

That, at this point, is speculative.

But at least it provides an alternative possibility as to why the
President's words were at such variance from the entire history of
this country.

For, there needs to be some other explanation, Mr. Bush, than that you
truly believe we should live in a United States of America in which a
thought is unacceptable.

There needs to be a delegation of responsible leaders -- Republicans
or otherwise -- who can sit you down as Barry Goldwater and Hugh Scott
once sat Richard Nixon down - and explain the reality of the situation
you have created.

There needs to be an apology from the President of the United States.

And more than one.

But, Mr. Bush, the others -- for warnings unheeded five years ago, for
war unjustified four years ago, for battle unprepared three years ago
-- they are not weighted with the urgency and necessity of this one.

We must know that, to you, thought with which you disagree -- and even
voice with which you disagree and even action with which you disagree
-- are still sacrosanct to you.

The philosopher Voltaire once insisted to another author, "I detest
what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you
to continue to write." Since the nation's birth, Mr. Bush, we have
misquoted and even embellished that statement, but we have served
ourselves well, by subscribing to its essence.

Oddly, there are other words of Voltaire's that are more pertinent
still, just now.



"Think for yourselves," he wrote, "and let others enjoy the privilege
to do so, too."

Apologize, sir, for even hinting at an America where a few have that
privilege to think and the rest of us get yelled at by the President.

Anything else, Mr. Bush, is truly unacceptable.


Keith Olbermann

Turd Furguson 09-22-2006 11:11 AM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
Well, that settles it, since Keith Olbermann says it then I guess it needs to happen.


Maybe ole Keith should stick to sports.

Real World 09-22-2006 11:34 AM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
I honestly can't stand Keith Odorman. Sorry, but she's the Ann Coulter of the left. I can't stand Ann Coulter for those of you who do not know. She's a bumbling idiot. She's kinda hot for a politcal person, but she's still annoying. Odorman on the other hand is a moron lefty who has to be related to Bill Maher. Has to be. Everytime I watch is aweful "countdown", and it is aweful as he is far from being as funny as he thinks he is, all he does is throw jabs at anything and everything GW. Picture NEM doing the news. Matter of fact I watched him for 10 minutes last night. Honestly, 10 minutes too long. I like how the guy personally bashes O'Reilly cuz he smokes him in the ratings. What a child.

BTW, saw Brian Ross's ABC report on CIA torture, quite interesting.

Here is the link to the interview where he talks about his investigation into CIA torture. I'm against physical abuse, no acceptions. I do support coercive means of interogation. Similar to what cops might do, or along the lines of loud music, sleep deprivation, cold rooms, etc...

Anyow, check out the interview.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...ndefined&&&new

Harry Boy 09-22-2006 12:06 PM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
The Muslims Owe Us An Apology
:bricks:

Odorman is the Left Wings Ann Coulter but he will never be as famous or successful.

The Amazon Jungle people know who Annie is, they read her books in their huts at night.

All_Around_Brown 09-22-2006 12:41 PM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
I love it. He's right on. This is second only to his special comment on Rumsfeld about two weeks ago where he asks (paraphrased) "in what country were you raised, that you feel you have a right to tell others who disagree with you to go to hell...that you and you alone have all the right answers"

Olbermann is great but he includes way too much fluff in his show (for the soccer mom crowd I presume).

Harry Boy 09-22-2006 02:39 PM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by All_Around_Brown
I love it. He's right on. This is second only to his special comment on Rumsfeld about two weeks ago where he asks (paraphrased) "in what country were you raised, that you feel you have a right to tell others who disagree with you to go to hell...

I am no fan of Rumsfeld but when he told those people to "go to hell" he was using his freedom of speech, something Odorman thinks is reserved for Liberal Bush Haters.

To a Sore Losing Liberal Hater freedom of speech all depends on who is giving the speech.
:bricks:

Turk 09-22-2006 02:46 PM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by All_Around_Brown
I love it. He's right on. This is second only to his special comment on Rumsfeld about two weeks ago where he asks (paraphrased) "in what country were you raised, that you feel you have a right to tell others who disagree with you to go to hell...that you and you alone have all the right answers"

Olbermann is great but he includes way too much fluff in his show (for the soccer mom crowd I presume).


Don't you just love the posters from the right having nothing to say about the content, and yet having no problem crucifying the author?
Are we so blind in our eagerness to follow this man that even Colin Powell's honest criticism is brushed off as unacceptable bs?
WTF is Bush or anyone else for that matter to tell another American, especially with Powell's credentials, that what he thinks is "unacceptable"?

Harry Boy 09-22-2006 02:52 PM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Turk
Don't you just love the posters from the right having nothing to say about the content, and yet having no problem crucifying the author?
Are we so blind in our eagerness to follow this man that even Colin Powell's honest criticism is brushed off as unacceptable bs?
WTF is Bush or anyone else for that matter to tell another American, especially with Powell's credentials, that what he thinks is "unacceptable"?

The LEFTY'S do it all the time to Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, Bush and Harry Boy.

patsfan13 09-22-2006 05:46 PM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
After reading this tripe it no wonder Olbermann's ratings are lower than a Chuck Norris infomercial.

Real World 09-22-2006 07:24 PM

Re: Bush owes us an apology by Keith Olbermann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patsfan13
After reading this tripe it no wonder Olbermann's ratings are lower than a Chuck Norris infomercial.

I watch just about everything. But a couple shows I cannot watch, and for varying reasons are Gretta Van something, and Odorman. Oderman is a bumbling idiot. Honestly, when I watch him I always feel like yelling at the TV "speak up you mummbling mess". Seriously, he sounds like a total tard. Truly the Ann Coulter of the left. Ann Coulter adds NOTHING to any show, except for something to look at. She makes sense about 1.2% of the time, and usually thats only because she's commented on someone elses point. Oderman is an idiot though. I honestly try to watch, but he's so stupid I can't. It's no wonder his ratings are so aweful, he sucks. Maybe the two of them should elope.


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