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patsfan13 07-09-2006 12:18 AM

Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
http://www.voanews.com/english/NewsA...6-27-voa25.cfm

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Fouad Ajami, director of the Middle East Studies Program at the Johns Hopkins University, comes from a Shi’a family in Lebanon. Professor Ajami is the author of numerous books on the Middle East, the latest of which is The Foreigner’s Gift: The Americans, the Arabs, and the Iraqis in Iraq - to be published in July. Unlike many Arab intellectuals, Professor Ajami is a strong advocate of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. He says the war in Iraq was a “noble war” and a “gift” that the American people and the Bush administration in 2003 gave to the people of Iraq.


Speaking with host Carol Castiel of VOA News Now’s Press Conference USA, Professor Ajami says one of the reasons he is so optimistic about the outcome of the war is related to his discussions with Deputy Prime Minister and Kurdish leader Barham Saleh, who told him that, with all that with all the mistakes and even today’s chaos, the Iraqis have been “delivered from a tyranny that would have lasted 1,000 years.” Furthermore, the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani told him, “We have been delivered into a new land.” However, Professor Ajami notes that the Sunni Arab world does not generally share this optimistic view. He says many Arabs worry that, if Iraq fails, there will be “chaos” in the region. On the other hand, he says, the Sunnis are “even more worried that Iraq will succeed” as a multicultural society. For example, there is now a Kurdish president, a Shi’a prime minister, and a newly appointed Sunni defense minister.

Regarding long-term prospects for stability, Professor Ajami says, although the building of the Iraqi army has been relatively successful, the building of the Iraqi police has not. And the surrounding countries have been sending the “misfits of their societies” – the Arab jihadists - to Iraq to stir up discord. Professor Ajami says he thinks that today there is no public diplomacy that would work with the Arab world and no way to convince the Arabs that the United States is there to “deliver Iraq from its ordeal and its torment.”

People in the Arab world, Professor Ajami notes, simultaneously “love” and “hate” America. But, contrary to recent polls, he does not believe that America has “low standing” in the Arab world. Nonetheless, he says there is a tremendous ambivalence in U.S. diplomacy about the spread of democracy in the Arab world and the risks of encouraging “one man, one vote, one time.” Fouad Ajami argues that, when America became implicated in the “furies of the Arab world” after 9/11, it became “imperative” to take seriously the political ills of Arab countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia and to push democracy in the region. Although in initial elections the ballot box may indeed favor the Islamists, Professor Ajami argues it is a “risk we have to take.” He says the Arab states will eventually “come around to accepting the new order,” but not until the Iraqis are “capable of ordering their own lives better.”
Thoughtful analysis from someone who knows the region better than most.

Blue Collar 07-09-2006 12:33 AM

Re: Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
I read a bit I will finish it tommorow.
The bit I read and stopped at, it's a gift, I'd say one friggen monumental gift that so far has cost us $$$$320 billion dollars and thousands of lives, and like std's it's a gift that keeps on giving. Excuse the snide remarks, I will read the rest in the mornin, But nightmaring over this hemmoraging gift we gave for the war on wmd's changed to a gift:rolleyes:

Patters 07-09-2006 05:56 AM

Re: Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
Never heard of the guy, but the Wikipedia entry makes me think he's quite brilliant. Nonetheless, these lines stood out, He "has been an advisor to United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as well as a friend and colleague of Deputy United States Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz." Perhaps he's just another war advocate who is rationalizing that stand, but I don't think we're nearly at the point where the good news balances with the tens of thousands of deaths and the massive destruction going on in Iraq.

patsfan13 07-09-2006 09:40 AM

Re: Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
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Originally Posted by Patters
Never heard of the guy, but the Wikipedia entry makes me think he's quite brilliant. Nonetheless, these lines stood out, He "has been an advisor to United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as well as a friend and colleague of Deputy United States Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz." Perhaps he's just another war advocate who is rationalizing that stand, but I don't think we're nearly at the point where the good news balances with the tens of thousands of deaths and the massive destruction going on in Iraq.

Well He was born in the area, is a member of the religion, speaks the language, and has made the issues in that region his life's work. I would think you would be encouraged that Rice and Wolfwitz would seek advice and insight from someone with his background.

Patters 07-09-2006 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13
Well He was born in the area, is a member of the religion, speaks the language, and has made the issues in that region his life's work. I would think you would be encouraged that Rice and Wolfwitz would seek advice and insight from someone with his background.

Of course there are Arabs who support the war, and I'm sure that the politicians in Washington regularly seek the advice of people who mirror their views. I just don't see anything especially significant that this guy supports the war.

patsfan13 07-09-2006 10:02 AM

Re: Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
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Originally Posted by Patters
Of course there are Arabs who support the war, and I'm sure that the politicians in Washington regularly seek the advice of people who mirror their views. I just don't see anything especially significant that this guy supports the war.

I wasn't touting just his support of the war, but he does point some of the problems (issues with developing the police force and Arab ambilivance about our motives) as well as the reasons for his optimism. A balanced view.

wistahpatsfan 07-09-2006 10:39 AM

Re: Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
"Noble War"...
That's a funny thing to say. :rolleyes:

Pats726 07-09-2006 11:17 AM

Re: Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
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Originally Posted by Patters
Never heard of the guy, but the Wikipedia entry makes me think he's quite brilliant. Nonetheless, these lines stood out, He "has been an advisor to United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as well as a friend and colleague of Deputy United States Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz." Perhaps he's just another war advocate who is rationalizing that stand, but I don't think we're nearly at the point where the good news balances with the tens of thousands of deaths and the massive destruction going on in Iraq.

Not only that, but weren't we in Iraq because of WMDs and the fact that their use was imminent?? If there were OTHER reasons to invade Iraq, they should have been discussed at the time.

DarrylS 07-09-2006 11:37 AM

Re: Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
It is hard for me to think of any war as something noble, which makes me suspect of anything this guy would write. War is anything but noble.

Blue Collar 07-09-2006 11:42 AM

Re: Author Fouad Ajami Says US-Led Invasion of Iraq Was A Noble War
 
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Originally Posted by Pats726
Not only that, but weren't we in Iraq because of WMDs and the fact that their use was imminent?? If there were OTHER reasons to invade Iraq, they should have been discussed at the time.

Apparantly saddam has a teletransporter and just whisked away the nuclear facilities and everything else with beaming technology, wonderful advances in quantum mechanics that saddam had kept hidden from the bushies.


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