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Patters 07-06-2006 08:23 AM

Bob Kraft takes a stand
 
It's gratifying that the best owner in the NFL appears to be a fairly liberal guy. Go Pats!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas..._gay_marriage/

Taking on Governor Mitt Romney and the Catholic Archdiocese of Boston, 165 prominent business and civic leaders are publicly calling for the Legislature to reject a proposed constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
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The group, which includes leading bankers, healthcare executives, lawyers, and leaders of the Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce, has purchased an ad in The Boston Globe that says the amendment would "take away rights." It urges lawmakers to "move on to other important issues like strengthening the economy, improving our schools, and protecting our neighborhoods."

The signers include Patriots owner Robert Kraft and his wife, Myra; real estate developer Robert Beal; Mayor Thomas M. Menino; chamber president Paul Guzzi, and more than 20 members of the chamber's board of directors; architect Graham Gund; author Robert B. Parker; venture capitalist Richard M. Burnes Jr.; Boston Foundation president Paul S. Grogan; and Stacey Lucchino, who is married to Red Sox chief executive Larry Lucchino.

BelichickFan 07-06-2006 08:34 AM

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We should just have a vote on it instead of an ammendment because it would be guaranteed to fail. Marriage isn't a right, it's a priviledge and freaky lifestyles (whether gay or with kids or polygamous or whatever) don't get that priviledge. Too bad.

Patters 07-06-2006 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan
We should just have a vote on it instead of an ammendment because it would be guaranteed to fail. Marriage isn't a right, it's a privilege and freaky lifestyles (whether gay or with kids or polygamous or whatever) don't get that privilege. Too bad.

Marriage is a special right for straight people. You only favor special rights when they're for you. A bit hypocritcal, in my opinion.

BelichickFan 07-06-2006 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters
Marriage is a special right for straight people. You only favor special rights when they're for you. A bit hypocritcal, in my opinion.

No, it's what society approves as good and right. Forgetting the kid thing, why can't I marry 2 or 3 or 4 women ? Because society says it's not something to encourage - there's nothing inherently wrong with it. Same with gay marriage. Society as a whole doesn't want it. Sorry.

Pats726 07-06-2006 08:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BelichickFan
We should just have a vote on it instead of an ammendment because it would be guaranteed to fail. Marriage isn't a right, it's a priviledge and freaky lifestyles (whether gay or with kids or polygamous or whatever) don't get that priviledge. Too bad.

Why should there be a vote??? Name one vote that was taken that had to do with civil rights, school desegregation, freeing the slaves??? Guess I missed that one..the Governor who was talking all about the vote and how THAT was democracy must have skipped many history classes.

BelichickFan 07-06-2006 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pats726
Why should there be a vote??? Name one vote that was taken that had to do with civil rights, school desegrefation, freeing the slaves??? Guess I missed that one..the Governor who was talking all about the vote and how THAT was democracy must have skipped many history classes.

That's how we decide things, by voting. Allowing gay marriage has nothing to do with desegregation or slavery. We are not saying that being gay is illegal just that it's not legitimite as marriage. Just like polygamy.

patsfan13 07-06-2006 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pats726
Why should there be a vote??? Name one vote that was taken that had to do with civil rights, school desegregation, freeing the slaves??? Guess I missed that one..the Governor who was talking all about the vote and how THAT was democracy must have skipped many history classes.


Iguess you missed the 14th admendment and the Civil Rights Act.

PatsFanInEaglesLand 07-06-2006 09:05 AM

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Hartford an now this, I guess everyone is entitled to 2 mistakes in their lifetime:D

Patters 07-06-2006 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13
Iguess you missed the 14th admendment and the Civil Rights Act.

You're technically right, but check your history:

http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=282

(Perhaps some people here will like the author's point of view.)

On the civil rights front, when we've had liberal government, Congress has done some good things, but in many cases -- desegregation, interracial marriages, fundamental gay rights, prisoner rights, age discrimination -- the courts have taken the lead by interpreting the Constitution in light of modern mores. If they had not done that, segregation might still be the law of the land.

BelichickFan 07-06-2006 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters
the courts have taken the lead by interpreting the Constitution in light of modern mores.

mo·res ( P ) Pronunciation Key (môrz, -z, mr-)
pl.n.

1. The accepted traditional customs and usages of a particular social group.
2. Moral attitudes.
3. Manners; ways.


The point is that a vote is a way to determine accepted custons and moral attitudes. I claim that if we voted on interacial, heterosexual marriage that it would pass overwhelmingly whereas if we voted on homosexual marriage that it would fail by a solid margin. I don't think "modern mores" favor gay marriage any more than they favor polygamous marriage.


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